looks like they looking for compensation?
lmao W...T...F???
looks like they looking for compensation?
The neighbor's 911 tapes sure sound like a kid screaming for help before his young life was taken by a murderer's bullet:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1354909.html
Yes, we heard it already. One account has a witness saying the that it's Zimmerman screaming.
Until more facts come out, there is no way top know what really happened.
I would like George to go to jail for murder. That's what it is, imo. The problem is proving it in a court of law which I can't see them being able to do. It's time to revist the gun laws and make some changes. Even if it's directed solely at neighborhood watch guys, I'm good with that for the time being. God bless.
I think there will definitely be some changes to the self-defense laws in Florida in elsewhere as a result, and not just directed at the neighborhood watch. It's about time, prosecutors have been complaining about this for a while. As for Zimmerman, I have no clue how a trial would play out. But it's going to be very difficult for him to get a fair and impartial trial in Florida.
That was a given from the instant Z's bullet entered Martins body.
Regardless of the criminal investigation, there will most definitely be civil action.
I can see where Martin may have decided to confront Zimmerman and was kicking his ass when Zimmerman made the decision to fire his weapon. It may be a case of bad judgement on Zimmerman's part causing Martin to defend himself against an unknown pursuer and thus causing Zimmerman to defend himself make this a justifiable homicide?
Because his grieving parents need millions in order to fully grieve.
So you are saying there should not be a civil suit?
I wonder if Zimmerman's willingness to pursue Martin would have been diminished if he were not armed.
No doubt, like all less assholes who feed the need to pack heat, Zimmerman was emboldened by his iron penis to stalk and harass Martin.
And if he flashed his steel appendage at Martin, Martin had every right to Stand-His-Ground, to feel threatened and go after Z in self-defense.
Just saw this and didn't see it posted. Apologies if it has been. Looks like there possibly WAS an eye witness that saw Trayvon beating Zimmerman before the shooting.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/nationa...9LtYlZaE41WzFP
An alleged eyewitness is backing the 28-year-old gunman at the center of a national firestorm.
A person named “John” told a Fox affiliate in Orlando that he saw an altercation unfold between George Zimmerman and 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, whom he shot and killed on Feb. 26.
Police said Zimmerman called 911 and described Martin as “su ious.” The two scuffled, and Trayvon wound up dead from a single bullet from Zimmerman’s licensed 9mm semiautomatic, authorities say.
“The guy on the bottom, who I believe had a red sweater on, was yelling to me, ‘Help, help.’ I told him to stop, I was calling 911,” John told the TV station. Zimmerman was wearing red.
“When I got upstairs and looked down, the person that was on top beating up the other guy was laying in the grass. And I believe he was dead at that point,” the eyewitness claimed.
Zimmerman has claimed he acted in self-defense, though he was the one following Trayvon. He has not been charged and has been in hiding since the shooting.
Trayvon’s friends have said the teen was not violent and they could never imagine him getting into a fight.
Zimmerman’s family said race had nothing to do with the incident.
“Unfortunately, some individuals and organizations have used this tragedy to further their own causes and agendas,” Zimmerman’s father, George, a retired judge, wrote in the Orlando Sentinel
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/nationa...#ixzz1q8t6rsDn
Tell that to the Goldman family, -stick.
So he confronted Martin, was getting his ass kicked, so his own willingness to pursue Martin was a contributing factor in his having to defend himself. Which is why I question if he would have done so had he not been armed.
If your child was murdered would you not take every possible action against those that did it? I know I would.
I wasn't there and don't claim to know who confronted who. As I have been saying repeatedly, until more facts come out I am witholding judgement.
This guys history of calling the police speaks volumes to me. If you want to be PC and say we should wait for the facts then thats fine (although I find it ironic that those doing that in this thread are the ones that usually jump to conclusions when its convenient to their crusades) but don't act like the reported facts don't look really really bad for this guy.
Agree, the fact that he was a self appointed neighborhood watch and was armed (even though he had a legal permit to be armed) looks bad for hm.
I didn't know this guy was arrested for violently resisting arrest in the past. Someone explain to me how he still had a CHL???? Back to Viva's point, I would sue the out of the state of Florida if I was the parents.
I concur. There were though, IMHO, too many unanswered questions to not do a further investigation. I can understand his being released but the fact that that pretty much ended the investigation is what I have an issue with.
This is the part I just don't see though.
However, if Martin decided to attack / confront Z (inexplicably in my mind unless, again, Z instigated the conflict), then everything you posted is indeed possible, and justifiable from Z's viewpoint.
However, every account has Martin running from Z. That fact is not in dispute. An attack by Martin runs contrary to his observed behavior.......unless:
We establish a plausible motive for Martin to attack Z.....other than in a scenario where Z has him cornered and Martin sees Z as the aggressor / instigator. Otherwise, we're left with the same "stand your ground" argument for Martin.
I'm inclined to think that the latter was indeed the case. Z told police that he got out of his car (again) to check where he was right before he was attacked from behind. This obviously occurred after his call with dispatch. Something about that doesn't sit right with me. Why did he get out of the safety of his car....again? Remember that initially he was out of his car in pursuit of Martin while on the phone with dispatch. It would seem that Z lost Martin, got back into his car, and then began driving around to see if he could reacquire Martin.
He has been on record as the watchman in that small gated community for a long while (at least 14 months according to police phone logs) and did so on a nightly basis......... why would he need to get out of his car (again) to confirm where he was? I say that the reason he exited his car was that he did indeed reacquire Martin and got out to confront him, not to verify his location.
Things then went down one way or another, with both being able to make a case for justifiable homicide under FLs "stand your ground" law. I don't think Z killed Martin in cold blood though. I believe that Z had a bad case of the "wannabes".
It's the principle behind the matter. Although, the world will never know what Trayvons full economic potential would have been.
Good points which I too have an issue with. If Martin was standing his ground against a person whom he felt was following him then I can see, if this were to go to a jury trial, that he would be found innocent or a hung jury. Although I do put the blame on Zimmerman it may not be enought for a conviction.
Tbh, the fact that Zimmerman's dad is a retired judge now makes me think that something sour might have gone on. I still think there's tons of unanswered questions from Trayvon's family (which will need to be answered in a civil suit) and hate how the media/groups/basketball players are whoring it out as a "hate crime" but it definately feels like the cops stopped short of something cuz his daddy was a judge.
If not for the death threats on Zimmerman, I'd say the police dept should be the most worried.
what we expect is for an investigation and drug / alcohol test of a person that just discharged his weapon and killed another person...and person who the cops already know has a history of over reacting (like calling 911; 46 times in one month) that's an unstable person...
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