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    Yes, that would fit what i see on a daily basis. Are you suggesting that it makes it OK to attack someone?

    Not irrational, we just disagree on some things. Real early on, and I'm not going to look for the post, I said something to the effect that Zimmerman was probably scared less, and it probably took him time to remember he had the means to stop being hit. I also pointed out that under similar cir stances, if I was carrying, and the events unfolded as they appear to have, that I would have killed Martin. I would have shot someone under the same situation, if I was held to the ground, being hit, and had no other means of stopping it.

    As for a choice? How many of us make rational decisions under intense pressure?
    I don't think Trayvon acted irrationally. He saw that he was being followed by a stranger, he was frightened. The stranger approached him with a gun in his waistband in plain sight. I'd fight for my life too.

    Zimmerman acted irrationally with his history of domestic violence and assualting police officers and calling 911 to report children playing? This dude has some iden y crisis issues too. Only hispanic in a family full of caucasians, its obvious he's not happy with himself or his life.
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    It says it was taken at the scene of the crime, you damn loon.
    You missed a rare one. Bouton's actually conceded his initial statement with the one you responded to.
    If it were fresh blood, ok.
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    As for a choice? How many of us make rational decisions under intense pressure?
    Zimmerman made the choice to take a loaded gun and follow a kid in a hoodie instead of calling the police and just getting out of the way.
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    Quote: Alan Dershowitz previously posted
    Unethical is just ad hominem. I looking for someone with legal expertise that says that the state REQUIRES that for a PC affidavit ie whether or not its legal. TheProfessor professed to be prosecutor and he says that was not the case.

    I don't deign to know.
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    I don't think Trayvon acted irrationally. He saw that he was being followed by a stranger, he was frightened. The stranger approached him with a gun in his waistband in plain sight. I'd fight for my life too.
    There was never any evidence the gun was on display, and please tell me how you expect to keep that model of a gun in his waistband, and visible, without falling out. It's a small gun.
    Zimmerman acted irrationally with his history of domestic violence and assualting police officers and calling 911 to report children playing? This dude has some iden y crisis issues too. Only hispanic in a family full of caucasians, its obvious he's not happy with himself or his life.
    Well, accounts differ. Didn't we just read one that shows Zimmerman was the defendant rather than aggressor in the account with the woman? That there is record he is the one who filed something like a restraint order request? I forget what it was called on the article. Then with police very often being over aggressive, it makes sense the charges were dropped on that one. People who know him claim he is neither racist or aggressive.

    I see no evidence that he was the perp.

    martin however...

    Did you go over the released internet accounts he had? What his friends have said and gave him props for? One of the props was his confrontation with a bus driver, which some say is really why he was suspended.

    Sorry...

    The evidence we are privy to so far shows Zimmerman innocent, and Martin the aggressor.
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    Keep up with what?

    It looks like the same cut he had in the ty video except the blood smears hadn't been cleaned up. I am waiting for the part where this is evidence of something new.

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    Zimmerman made the choice to take a loaded gun and follow a kid in a hoodie instead of calling the police and just getting out of the way.
    Should you go to jail ever time you make a bad choice?

    The choice was legal. just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's illegal.
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    I don't think Trayvon acted irrationally. He saw that he was being followed by a stranger, he was frightened. The stranger approached him with a gun in his waistband in plain sight. I'd fight for my life too.

    Zimmerman acted irrationally with his history of domestic violence and assualting police officers and calling 911 to report children playing? This dude has some iden y crisis issues too. Only hispanic in a family full of caucasians, its obvious he's not happy with himself or his life.
    You'd "fight for your life" if a stranger had a gun in his waistband????
    You, uh, wouldn't just get the out of there?

    This is what doesn't add up to me. If Zimmerman had his gun pointed at him, why would Trayvon even engage? Who here would confront someone with a gun pointed at them?
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    You'd "fight for your life" if a stranger had a gun in his waistband????
    You, uh, wouldn't just get the out of there?

    This is what doesn't add up to me. If Zimmerman had his gun pointed at him, why would Trayvon even engage? Who here would confront someone with a gun pointed at them?
    http://www.your-krav-maga-expert.com/Gun-defense.html
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    Thus my question is how does this picture changes anything, since the prior video was already public knowledge?
    Apparently you don't understand that when the prosecutor submits an affidavit, it's in lieu of a grand jury indictment. Bypassing a grand jury is no small thing. And when it is done, the judge reviews the evidence submitted by the prosecutor, and decides whether the case has sufficient merit to proceed. If the prosecutor leaves out exculpatory evidence, it makes it impossible for the judge to perform that function. "Public knowledge" is bull , when it comes to court cases. You can't presume that the judge is aware of some piece of evidence, and so decide not to include it in the affidavit.

    Put it this way - suppose you put the defense attorney in charge. Would it be okay with you if he conveniently "forgot" to provide the judge with any of the evidence against the defendant? That's too stupid to even consider. Well... the prosecutor can't just send anyone he wants to trial. He has to have sufficient evidence, which includes consideration of evidence that might lead to acquittal. (Like, say, the guy was out of town when it happened.)

    If this prosecutor really omitted exculpatory evidence, even before the trial starts, it's just what Dershowitz claims - it's beyond immoral. And it starts to look a lot like the Duke Lacrosse team.

    I don't know if Zimmerman is guilty or innocent. But if the prosecutor really withheld evidence, he's already guilty. And there's no gray area on that.
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    he's probably said stuff like "i'm tired of these guys committing crimes."
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    Keep up with what?

    It looks like the same cut he had in the ty video except the blood smears hadn't been cleaned up. I am waiting for the part where this is evidence of something new.

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    And why are you waiting to see if its new evidence. It says it was taken at the scene of the crime, soooooooooo...........
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    http://www.dead-krav-maga-expert/dumb .htm


    Just out of curiosity - are you suggesting that Trayvon was a krav maga expert? Becuase that would be really stupid.

    But then, if you aren't saying that, then your link is really stupid.

    Either way, you never fail to disappoint.
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    Apparently you don't understand that when the prosecutor submits an affidavit, it's in lieu of a grand jury indictment. Bypassing a grand jury is no small thing. And when it is done, the judge reviews the evidence submitted by the prosecutor, and decides whether the case has sufficient merit to proceed. If the prosecutor leaves out exculpatory evidence, it makes it impossible for the judge to perform that function. "Public knowledge" is bull , when it comes to court cases. You can't presume that the judge is aware of some piece of evidence, and so decide not to include it in the affidavit.

    Put it this way - suppose you put the defense attorney in charge. Would it be okay with you if he conveniently "forgot" to provide the judge with any of the evidence against the defendant? That's too stupid to even consider. Well... the prosecutor can't just send anyone he wants to trial. He has to have sufficient evidence, which includes consideration of evidence that might lead to acquittal. (Like, say, the guy was out of town when it happened.)

    If this prosecutor really omitted exculpatory evidence, even before the trial starts, it's just what Dershowitz claims - it's beyond immoral. And it starts to look a lot like the Duke Lacrosse team.

    I don't know if Zimmerman is guilty or innocent. But if the prosecutor really withheld evidence, he's already guilty. And there's no gray area on that.
    Thanks counselor but it was shown earlier that its typical in Florida to bypass the GJ, unless its a capital crime which this isn't. thanks for talking out of your ass though.

    Nice linking this prosecutor with one that got disbarred. that was nice that defamation of character there.

    You may not know but you clearly have a side.
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    Ah, so Zimmerman was pointing the gun at Trayvon's head. Interesting. Now that's new
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    You'd "fight for your life" if a stranger had a gun in his waistband????
    You, uh, wouldn't just get the out of there?

    This is what doesn't add up to me. If Zimmerman had his gun pointed at him, why would Trayvon even engage? Who here would confront someone with a gun pointed at them?
    what sense does that make? I turn to run, I get shot in the back. Have you seen how Ricky died?

    If I'm gonna die, I'm going to fight for my life. You mean to tell me you would try to talk it out or run?

    and he didn't have the gun pointed at him when he approached but it was on his person in plain sight.
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    http://www.dead-krav-maga-expert/dumb .htm


    Just out of curiosity - are you suggesting that Trayvon was a krav maga expert? Becuase that would be really stupid.

    But then, if you aren't saying that, then your link is really stupid.

    Either way, you never fail to disappoint.
    LOL....

    No .

    Fuzzy logic strikes again...

    LOL...
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    Either way, you never fail to disappoint.
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    http://www.dead-krav-maga-expert/dumb .htm


    Just out of curiosity - are you suggesting that Trayvon was a krav maga expert? Becuase that would be really stupid.

    But then, if you aren't saying that, then your link is really stupid.

    Either way, you never fail to disappoint.
    So if you think someone is about to shoot you that you think the wise choice is to just sit there and do nothing? All the link I linked stated was that only try and defend yourself like that if you think they are going to shoot you.

    Yeah and the martial art taught to military and law enforcement agencies around the world is stupid.

    Thanks, counselor.
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    Thanks counselor but it was shown earlier that its typical in Florida to bypass the GJ, unless its a capital crime which this isn't. thanks for talking out of your ass though.

    Nice linking this prosecutor with one that got disbarred. that was nice that defamation of character there.

    You may not know but you clearly have a side.
    You can be an ignorant all you want. It's not "typical" to bypass the grand jury, although it is done. Words have meaning, dumb . And "typical" doesn't even come close, here.

    And, yes, it is MANDATORY for the prosecutor to include ALL exculpatory evidence in an affidavit. And, yes, the prosecutor in the Duke Lacrosse debacle withheld exculpatory evidence. And it's not defamation, since I said "if" this prosecutor did that. We don't know.

    That's your problem - you make up. Well... that's one of your problems.
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    what sense does that make? I turn to run, I get shot in the back. Have you seen how Ricky died?

    If I'm gonna die, I'm going to fight for my life. You mean to tell me you would try to talk it out or run?

    and he didn't have the gun pointed at him when he approached but it was on his person in plain sight.
    So a gun in the waistband in plain sight makes you wet your pants? Just curious here, but how far away was Trayvon away when he saw this gun in his waistband in plain sight? I'm even more curious if Trayvon even knew if he had a gun.
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    Ah, so Zimmerman was pointing the gun at Trayvon's head. Interesting. Now that's new
    I have no idea but there are cir stances in which it makes perfectly good sense to try to fight someone with a gun. Those are just various techniques depending on where and how the assailant is holding the weapon.

    You guys are just discounting that idea out of hand and I am just pointing out that not to be the case.

    if you think someone is going to shoot you and you cannot get away the obvious choice is to fight.
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    So if you think someone is about to shoot you that you think the wise choice is to just sit there and do nothing? All the link I linked stated was that only try and defend yourself like that if you think they are going to shoot you.

    Yeah and the martial art taught to military and law enforcement agencies around the world is stupid.

    Thanks, counselor.
    Was a gun drawn to make Trayvon engage?
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    So if you think someone is about to shoot you that you think the wise choice is to just sit there and do nothing? All the link I linked stated was that only try and defend yourself like that if you think they are going to shoot you.

    Yeah and the martial art taught to military and law enforcement agencies around the world is stupid.

    Thanks, counselor.

    That's too ing stupid to even comment on. If Zimmerman really wanted to shoot the kid, he wouldn't have any blood on the back of his head. Even Chuck Norris couldn't have prevented that, dumbass.
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    So a gun in the waistband in plain sight makes you wet your pants? Just curious here, but how far away was Trayvon away when he saw this gun in his waistband in plain sight? I'm even more curious if Trayvon even knew if he had a gun.
    smh...if a stranger approached me at night time while I'm alone and I see a gun on him, my first instinct is to protect myself not run.
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