Well, you have certainly modified your position in the last few days...like I said when you were attacking me Friday, I'm going to wait until I get more facts to draw my own conclusion...it appears you are starting to finally do the same.
Why are you calling Darrin on BS when there are others you haven't called BS on?
Is your bias showing?
Well, you have certainly modified your position in the last few days...like I said when you were attacking me Friday, I'm going to wait until I get more facts to draw my own conclusion...it appears you are starting to finally do the same.
Beat his ass as long as you "feel" he's a threat, cause, if the vigilante stalker got a gun, he'll KILL your ass if you don't keep pounding away.
Assuming it happened this way, I doubt Martin knew Zimmereman had a Gun, that Zimmerman was scared less, and it took him awhile to regain the composure to pull it.
Just a WAG (wild ass guess). Might be how it went down though.
All black people look the same, tbh.
the usual manner is one at a time, and Darrin appears to be full of it, as usual
With as much pressure that has been put on this police dept to do something...
I am very comfortable postulating that if they could get Zimmerman in jail for ANYTHING... he would be there...
God damn, you are a crybaby.
@WC: I'll call bs on whomever I like, if that's alright with you
I don't see Zimmerman getting any jail time or being found guilty of murder. Manslaughter perhaps but not murder. It very well could be a case of an error in judgement, from Zimmerman, causing another error in judgement, from Martin, which led to a confrontation and fatal shooting.
Well, I know he's not 10 years old.
If you look back carefully, that's one of the possibilities I've implied all along: That Martin may have panicked and preempted Z once he was face to face with him. I've stated it explicitly for the first time, but that does not mean that I've modified my position on the matter. fwiw I tend to think that Martin did strike the first blow; I have all along. What I wasn't buying into was the notion that he did so without clear provocation (ie first running, then turning on Z as he was walking back to his car).
Well, you have certainly modified your position in the last few days...like I said when you were attacking me Friday, I'm going to wait until I get more facts to draw my own conclusion...it appears you are starting to finally do the same.
Also, I wasn't attacking you. I was pointing out that you were reaching (a la WC) in your post. Perhaps you perceived it as such. Apologies.
You've asked me to engage you in a meaningful dialogue about this matter (albeit underhandedly), and I've done that by pointing out plausible scenarios. Then I get your sarcastic acknowledgement in response.
And you wonder when folks like Manny, Chump or Fuzzy decide to give you nothing but one liners or scathing responses. Frankly, it's hard to not fall into that pattern.
lol Darrin sure ate up white supremacist propaganda eagerly.
No clue. I'm not familiar with the nuances of the law. If Martin still feared that Z could get up and do him harm, then yes I suppose. We will never know though.
And yes, the evidence does back up Z's account.....most of it. The portion where Z says Martin confronted him and punched him first is not, and that's the most important part as far as Z's defense goes.
As an aside, Z had better hope that whatever he uttered at the 2:20 mark on that call wasn't racial in nature. It's an entirely different ballgame at that point.
I was admittedly lax with my research here. I did however, cross reference 3 sites that had the same information as the one I cited. Apparently there is a lot of misinformation is being floated around out there.
Thanks for the links btw.
EDIT: 46 calls is still a lot IMO, even over an eight year period. I wonder what kind of neighborhoods those are.
I didn't know Thugs ate skittles and drank ice tea...that's some trippy ...my encounters with real thug s they were eating hamburgers or chicken and dranking 40's...
A call every 2 months if you are out patrolling is excessive?
That does't fit the pattern to me of someone who is seeing a bad guy behind every bush...
Don't forget he was calling a non-emergency number... at least when he reported Martin... not 911
Even if Martin threw the first punch, HE is the one "protected" by the Stand Your Ground law. A stranger admitted he was following him, and Zimmerman obviously at some point got out of his car. Martin was justified in defending himself out of fear for this stranger, even if he beat the out of him. Zimmerman by following him and getting out of his car started the altercation even if Martin threw the first punch. The 911 calls tell you of the state of mind of Zimmerman as he approached this kid. We know he referred to him as an asshole and possibly even a racial slur.
That is why I put it in quotes. The law applies to him and not to Zimmerman. Martin was the one justified in standing his ground. He was not obligated to flee. Zimmerman is claiming a right that belonged to Martin and not to him.
If I am walking down the street at night and being followed by a strange man whom I do not know. If he gets out of his car and approaches me at all, I am justified in beating him to a pulp.
You don't know that. You don't know what did or did not happen. You know the hyperbole and the statements by the family. The rule of law still applies in the country. We deal in facts and evidence, not speculation and rumor. At least we did.
If the evidence shows that the guy did something wrong, he'll pay for it. If there isn't evidence, he will go free. Meanwhile, the New Black Panthers are guilty of conspiracy to commit kidnapping. There's evidence of that, since they've made posters to prove it. If you want justice, let's take care of that while we're at it.
Under "(white boys) Stand Your Ground" laws, you can use lethal force to defend yourself. Beating the out of someone stalking you in a car and on foot and confronting you is fully justified.
Or do you think you can only Stand Your Ground with a gun?
Forget the argument - it's a non-sequitir. It doesn't matter even if he did make excessive calls. Making calls does not equate to stalking or murder. It's not evidentiary. These people want to convict the man based on rumor and innuendo, so they're talking about that doesn't matter.
Of course, they don't want to talk about the reason why the kid got kicked out of school. THAT, they say, is beside the point. But a guy calling the police? They can take that and turn it into murder.
"What makes you think she's a witch?"
"Well she turned me into a newt!"
... "I got better."
beating the out of somebody when you feel threatened IS the law in FL.
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