This case to me is like the OJ case to you old folks. I'm invested in this case.
is the case still open? when there is a ruling then this thread will no longer go on. and you have contributed many posts to this thread as well, sir
This case to me is like the OJ case to you old folks. I'm invested in this case.
hypocrite
Nope. I just respond to stupid ass posts.
Personally I think s bag #1 met s bag in training #2 on a dark rainy night, both made mistakes that in retrospect I'm sure they would like do overs on, #1 got his ass whipped and #2 is dead. Tragic? Yeah, I guess. I don't think Trayvon was going to cure cancer and in the bigger scheme of things his death was pretty irrelevant. Kids his age die every day from car crashes, drug OD's, meaningless black on black drive by shootings etc. Zimmerman? meh. A living with his parents loser. Liar? Oh yeah.
I keep going back to the facts.
I see nothing to justify a second degree murder conviction.
That is all.
Google image Nicole Brown nude with your filter off.
Now THAT was tragic.
with a samurai sword no less.
Zimmerman/Martin???? Pffffft
How do you think that obsession manifests on the internet. You are in here just about as much as they are. Their interests just derive from a different place then yours.
No Trill, you and Creep are obsessed with trying to create your new reality that Saint Trayvon was martyred and deserves a 2nd degree murder conviction on Zimmerman just because.
Someone didn't click the link. For all their obsession you and WC are the champs of this thread by a pretty good margin.
They are obsessed with Trayvon. I may be obsessed with countering stupidity in my spare time (you definitely included) but I could give a about Trayvon/George other than calling it as an over reach by the DA and it's not 2nd Degree Murder.
go back a few pages and respond to bobby's posts. I think he broke down the timeline pretty accurately and made some good points. for some reason you ignore them
sorry for standing up for a innocent child walking home with a bag of skittles and a can of iced tea. he was still a kid and had his entire life ahead of him. you and WC labeling him a 'potential s bag' and a 'lowlife' is very ignorant and tasteless.
uh-huh. so then you are obsessed with them (me definitely included) to the tune of posting almost more than the two of creep and trill combined?
and you have been filling in gaps and using confirmation bias to exonerate good ole George just as much if not more. You are emotionally invested in the outcome as evidenced by your raging. Acting coy does not change that.
uh-huh. so then you are obsessed with them (me definitely included) to the tune of posting almost more than the two of creep and trill combined?
and you have been filling in gaps and using confirmation bias to exonerate good ole George just as much if not more. You are emotionally invested in the outcome as evidenced by your raging. Acting coy does not change that.
then when people provide actual facts ranging from eye witness statements, 911 phone calles, criminal history etc, his response is to minimize the value of this innocent child's life and paint Trayvon as this career criminal
The issue is that Zimmerman did not act remotely the way a neighborhood watchman with any semblance of training or common sense would. So, to your statement, I would say he acted like a grossly negligent neighborhood watchman even if he may or may not have thrown the first punch.
Zimmerman was actually trained by one of the Sanford police officers to never carry a weapon when patrolling the area and to not pursue su ous people. Watchfolks are taught to "observe and report", not to "follow while packing, even when a dispatcher recommends you cease". So not only did he take a gun when he shouldn't have or trail a suspect when he shouldn't have, he inexplicably failed to identify himself. That's awfully negligent and irresponsible and each of these avoidable and voluntary missteps inflamed the situation tremendously.
There's not a person on this board who, if followed late at night and followed more than one time, and then not made privy to the fact the follower was a neighborhood watchman, wouldn't perceive the follower as a threat and be legitimatelyconcerned for his/her safety. So, punches thrown first or not, Zimmerman is clearly the primary reason for the altercation and the intensity of the situation. And each of these missteps were out of his own accord. He could have just as effectively performed his role by waiting at his car, not getting out of it. He made a choice not to disclose to Trayvon who he was and he has no explanation for why he made that choice. This isn't a typical self-defense guys where a guy breaks into your house and you shoot him. FAR from it.
And before anyone responds with the "he wasn't on patrol. He was on his way to the store" that is a veryflawed argument. If all he was doing was going to the store, that's what he would have made the call to the police and then went about his business. That's not what he did. When he continued to look for Trayvon (or walk the area for address information according to him) he was clearly operating in the capacity of a neighbordhood watchman.
I, like many, was invested in the OJ case out of curiousity given how much I loved football.
The OJ case was so clear cut though in terms of his guilt (except to the jury!) that it wasn't nearly as interesting as this one IMO. I can't recall seeing many cases where one's guilt was so obvious. Still hard to believe 18 years later how quickly the jury acquitted him.
There are so many material facts in dispute and so many facts that are open for interpretation in this case that it really will be a very, very intriguing trial.
This case really could change the way stand your ground is applied and adjudicated in the legal system, even if the actual defense is tradtional self-defense, not SYG. Even though there are much more egregious cases that simply haven't as much garnered media attention, likely because of the interracial aspect of this case.
I guess we will see if court testimony bears out if he threatened a bus driver or not. Surely his character will come to bear. All that archived internet stuff makes him look pretty bad. The suspensions don't look good for him. I think I'm safe to say that Trayvon was a thug.
The definition of thug varies. Violent or criminal... What do you call using drugs and being part of a "fightclub?" It at least loosely fits the definition you supply.
I'm sorry, but I cannot see Martin as a victim. He could have avoided the situation as easily as Zimmerman could have avoided it. At least Zimmerman called the police.
Yep, we agree here. Maybe if the people in Trayvon's life took a more active interest in keeping him strait of such matters, he wouldn't be dead.
I can't help but thing Trayvon was taught the "black code" and that's why he's dead.
I think alot of what is said is dumb, but at least this thread will be easy to find when the case goes to court.
Well, I do think OJ was innocent. Does that matter?
Hold on hold on hold on, are you trying to say that Martin was more than a thug than Zimmerman? A simple yes or no will suffice.
The black code is about awareness, avoidance, and de-escalation. For example, Cosmic Cowboy says that if a black guy was to walk in his neighborhood, his neighbors would call the cops (but he wouldnt because he will be locked and loaded he says). A black kid being taught would understand that a simple stroll could get the cops on you because of black fear. Although he wasn't doing thing wrong, he cannot be angry about being treated like a criminal and give any reason for the cop to arrest you. Composure is a must. He will understand to try not to harbor resentment that people called the cops on him simply for being free in America because that is the way American life is for black people.
That's like .5 percent of the black code I posted lol.
is there a training course you are specifically referring to that he was supposed to take before he became a volunteer watchman?
Flimsy. There is no law or formal protocol that says he has to identify himself and keep his gun at home.Zimmerman was actually trained by one of the Sanford police officers to never carry a weapon when patrolling the area and to not pursue su ous people. Watchfolks are taught to "observe and report", not to "follow while packing, even when a dispatcher recommends you cease". So not only did he take a gun when he shouldn't have or trail a suspect when he shouldn't have, he inexplicably failed to identify himself. That's awfully negligent and irresponsible and each of these avoidable and voluntary missteps inflamed the situation tremendously.
It's pure speculation that Z identifying himself would have changed the outcome.There's not a person on this board who, if followed late at night and followed more than one time, and then not made privy to the fact the follower was a neighborhood watchman, wouldn't perceive the follower as a threat and be legitimatelyconcerned for his/her safety. So, punches thrown first or not, Zimmerman is clearly the primary reason for the altercation and the intensity of the situation. And each of these missteps were out of his own accord. He could have just as effectively performed his role by waiting at his car, not getting out of it. He made a choice not to disclose to Trayvon who he was and he has no explanation for why he made that choice. This isn't a typical self-defense guys where a guy breaks into your house and you shoot him. FAR from it.
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