Trayvon Martin - black kid armed with skittles killed in "self-defense"

[Agloco]

And I'm narrow minded

You maintain that violence is the only possible motive for Lee here. That's your broad-based, open-minded assessment of the matter?

Demonstration, my ass. Don't puss out with some stupid suggestion for that. You have the new black panthers say on TV to basically kill him and you say "demonstration" l. Gtfo

The bed of straw....it's soft. Link on Lees association with the with the Black Panthers? In the end, they're all alike anyway right?

lol all blacks being bloodthristy. You and Fpoon should get a room tbh.

I'm narrow minded? Then what possible reason did he post it? You can't even answer that!

Fact is, neither can you. Yet you maintain to know beyond all doubt that Lees intent was violent. Interesting conundrum no?

[RandomGuy]

You don't say. Could it have possibly caused Martin to panic and attack Zimmerman? Remember, Martin wasn't on his home turf.


Ironic? Sure. However, that takes nothing away from speculative power that Z's past and current actions provide. Z killed an un-armed teenager and walks free. That's bound to incite some irrational thoughts on the matter. It is what it is.



If that's indeed the correct account, then of course it's a problem.

I've already offered my thoughts on what happened earlier on in this thread. Some of the stories have changed since then however. Especially important was the report about Z's claim of being attacked from behind as he walked back to his truck. He claimed that he had gotten out to check his location. In order for that to have happened, he would have had to get back into his truck first as he was pursuing Martin on foot initially.

One of my posts:

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...&postcount=248

Indeed. Bits keep coming out which directly contradict earlier accounts. If Martin ran, then the question of whether or not Z actually got back into his truck prior to the eventual altercation is key. As I stated above, an earlier account had Z going back to his truck after verifying his location.


My mind is made up in the following way:

Z killed Martin
Z chased Martin
Z ignored a suggestion from dispatch to halt his advance
Martin was a teenager
Martin was unarmed
Martin was visiting his father
Z walks a free man

Z has become the poster boy for everything that is wrong with this "stand your ground" law. I believe most people are talking exception to Zs actions up to the moment of the confrontation. The fact that it happened at all lies squarely on Zs shoulders and no one elses. Hence the call for some sort of action against him.

I think the ballistics will have to be key. Where the bullet entered, what angle, and at what range.

If Z's claim that he was on the ground with his head getting pounded into the pavement is correct, then that would have different charactoristics than someone standing and shooting.

It is fuzzy. Sadly there are only two people who have first-hand knowledge, and one of them is dead.

Getting out of his truck is not the actions of someone who is being cautious and non-confrontational.

It is obvious that a VERY thorough investigation is warranted, at the very least.

If there isn't enough to immediately arrest him, then calls to arrest him are vigilante-ism itself, IMO.

It's not like he is going anywhere. From his friends account, he is wracked with guilt over it, and will have to live in that particular ish prison for the rest of his life, even if charges are never brought. To be clear: I am not saying that is sufficient, or justice, merely that he isn't quite as "free" as some make out. He will be targeted in some manner for the rest of his life by people who are baying for blood.

In the end, we must wait for the investigation. Trevon's death was a tragedy. We don't truly know what happened yet.

[DisAsTerBot]

When a bloodthirsty black person does it, you take notice and look for more.

lol wut?
smh
arent these the same assumptions you are arguing with people over making?

[Fpoonsie]

You act as if they are somehow unique to this situation.

When a bloodthirsty black person does it, you take notice and look for more.

I take notice of rampant idiocy, and it's been bountiful throughout this whole cluster .

[Viva Las Espuelas]

You maintain that violence is the only possible motive for Lee here. That's your broad-based, open-minded assessment of the matter?



The bed of straw....it's soft. Link on Lees association with the with the Black Panthers? In the end, they're all alike anyway right?

lol all blacks being bloodthristy. You and Fpoon should get a room tbh.



Fact is, neither can you. Yet you maintain to know beyond all doubt that Lees intent was violent. Interesting conundrum no?

Ha. Bed of straw. You suggested "demonstration"
Demonstration ll

"Lol all blacks are bloodthirsty" off with that. No where did I say that or think that. Were all those 80-100 students black? No. I don't know. I really don't care. They're all jackasses just like you for accusing me that "all blacks are bloodthirsty". Again, and you call me narrowminded. Nice try, race baiter

[Fpoonsie]

baying for blood.

Careful. That's CD's buzzword.

[DisAsTerBot]

If there isn't enough to immediately arrest him, then calls to arrest him are vigilante-ism itself, IMO.

It's not like he is going anywhere. From his friends account, he is wracked with guilt over it, and will have to live in that particular ish prison for the rest of his life, even if charges are never brought. To be clear: I am not saying that is sufficient, or justice, merely that he isn't quite as "free" as some make out. He will be targeted in some manner for the rest of his life by people who are baying for blood.

you're afraid of black people!!! - chump

[ChumpDumper]

lol wut?
smh
arent these the same assumptions you are arguing with people over making?

I'm not expecting you to understand. Should've used quotes, but people who aren't stupid get it.

I take notice of rampant idiocy, and it's been bountiful throughout this whole cluster .

So now blacks are idiots.

You're really batting 1.000 now.

[Winehole23]

If there isn't enough to immediately arrest him, then calls to arrest him are vigilante-ism itself, IMO.

agree strongly with this

[DisAsTerBot]

66,550!

[ChumpDumper]

Careful. That's CD's buzzword.

you're afraid of black people!!! - chump

He didn't single out blacks.

You guys did.

[RandomGuy]

All over the interwebs and news outlets, frustrated blacks are damn-near bloodthirsty.

But, yeah, sending out his addy over twitter was simply to allow those same people an outlet to send their "strongly-worded grievances."

There are violent nutballs in just about any segment of the population.

The vast majority of what I see though, has been non-violent. Trayvon's parents have been very clear that they want change and do NOT want any violence. Most people are honoring that wish.

[ChumpDumper]

Post count smack!

I've got nothing else!

[Fpoonsie]

lol all blacks being bloodthristy. You and Fpoon should get a room tbh.

I never once made the generalization that "all blacks" were on the attack. I said that the overwhelming majority of Lee's audience was black, and the most irate people (however understandably so) w/ regards to this story appear to be black.

[elbamba]

The locals may not have enough to get a murder conviction, but the feds might be able to put some kind of civil rights case together against him.

The Martins can also go the wrongful death civil suit route.

The Martins could do this but if Zimmerman can prove that it was self defense, the Florida law specifically provides that in a civil action case, Zimmerman would be en led to his fees, costs, including attorneys fees, and other damages. I would not take the case with the current information available, unless I wanted media attention.

[Agloco]

Ha. Bed of straw. You suggested "demonstration"

Demonstration

It's an alternate and plausible explanation of Lees motive and quite relevant as a counter to the argument you made.

How is bringing the desires of the Black Panthers into this discussion relevant? Oh yeah......thats right:

All over the interwebs and news outlets, frustrated blacks are damn-near bloodthirsty.

Preach on gentleman. Preach on.

[Fpoonsie]

There are violent nutballs in just about any segment of the population.

The vast majority of what I see though, has been non-violent. Trayvon's parents have been very clear that they want change and do NOT want any violence. Most people are honoring that wish.

Good.

[Winehole23]

Not newsworthy, Joe. None at all.

not until it happens. daydream much?

[Agloco]

I never once made the generalization that "all blacks" were on the attack. I said that the overwhelming majority of Lee's audience was black, and the most irate people (however understandably so) w/ regards to this story appear to be black.

Yes...I misused "all".......apologies.


frustrated blacks being bloodthirsty.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

There are violent nutballs in just about any segment of the population.

The vast majority of what I see though, has been non-violent. Trayvon's parents have been very clear that they want change and do NOT want any violence. Most people are honoring that wish.

Would his parents approve of Lee broadcasting Zimmerman's address, albeit the wrong one, on twitter?

They did condemn the new black panther's bounty. You know. Those blood thirsty blacks.

[elbamba]

I think the ballistics will have to be key. Where the bullet entered, what angle, and at what range.

If Z's claim that he was on the ground with his head getting pounded into the pavement is correct, then that would have different charactoristics than someone standing and shooting.

It is fuzzy. Sadly there are only two people who have first-hand knowledge, and one of them is dead.

Getting out of his truck is not the actions of someone who is being cautious and non-confrontational.

It is obvious that a VERY thorough investigation is warranted, at the very least.

If there isn't enough to immediately arrest him, then calls to arrest him are vigilante-ism itself, IMO.

It's not like he is going anywhere. From his friends account, he is wracked with guilt over it, and will have to live in that particular ish prison for the rest of his life, even if charges are never brought. To be clear: I am not saying that is sufficient, or justice, merely that he isn't quite as "free" as some make out. He will be targeted in some manner for the rest of his life by people who are baying for blood.

In the end, we must wait for the investigation. Trevon's death was a tragedy. We don't truly know what happened yet.

A very good post. To me, the most important issue at this moment is where Martin was shot. I don't think witnesses will be able to shed enough light to warrant an arrest, unless there is a smoking gun, that is credible, that comes forward.

[ChumpDumper]

Would his parents approve of Lee broadcasting Zimmerman's address, albeit the wrong one, on twitter?

They did condemn the new black panther's bounty. You know. Those blood thirsty blacks.

Are they now responsible for the actions of all bloodthirsty blacks?

[RandomGuy]

I never once made the generalization that "all blacks" were on the attack. I said that the overwhelming majority of Lee's audience was black, and the most irate people (however understandably so) w/ regards to this story appear to be black.

I can agree with that.

No one can say that our general at udes and the way we look at young men aren't influenced by the color of their skin.

What you do with that reality, is up to you.

One huge difference, though, is how much you think that treatment is justified, and how you act on that.

(edit: "You" not being specific to Fpoonsie)

[Viva Las Espuelas]

How is bringing the desires of the Black Panthers into this discussion relevant? Oh yeah......thats right:

Because they out out a bounty on Zimmerman on national television you stubborn mule. Damn are you that dense?????

[Agloco]

"Lol all blacks are bloodthirsty" off with that. No where did I say that or think that. Were all those 80-100 students black? No. I don't know. I really don't care. They're all jackasses just like you for accusing me that "all blacks are bloodthirsty". Again, and you call me narrowminded. Nice try, race baiter

It was directed at Fpoon. I got lost on the multi quote thingy. Yes.. I misused "all" in the phrase. Fpoon used "frustrated". I apologized to him above as I apologize to you now.