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    I pray this horrific act brings attention to a much bigger problem our country has. Black on black crime. All my black brothers and sisters that don't have a voice anymore need to be heard. In the U.S. nearly half of all murder victims are black. And the staggering majority of those black people are killed by other black people. Let us all pray they get a march. God bless.
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    Besides the ABC news logo blocking his head most of the time, it looks to me like he's got a bump on his head. That's probably what the cop is looking at. Scalp wounds bleed a lot, but are also easy to clean up. You will usually get black eyes from a broken nose THE NEXT DAY.
    Vid isn't conclusive either way. If the case goes to trial, the severity/extent of Zimmerman's injuries will be a matter of public record; if not, the wheel spinning will continue.
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    Vid isn't conclusive either way. If the case goes to trial, the severity/extent of Zimmerman's injuries will be a matter of public record; if not, the wheel spinning will continue.
    Why does the cop stare at the back of his head?
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    ABC News reported a police source quoted Zimmerman as saying the youth had tried to get his gun.

    Zimmerman received medical attention at the scene and then was taken in a police cruiser to a police station for questioning.

    Authorities told the newspaper much of Zimmerman's account has been corroborated by witnesses.

    Zimmerman, who is white, had told a 911 dispatcher he was following the black teen because he looked su ious. "We don't need you to do that," the dispatcher said.

    ABC News said Martin's girlfriend said in a recording it obtained that she heard him ask Zimmerman, "'Why are your following me,' and then the man asked, 'What are you doing around here?'" She said she heard the two scuffle before the line went dead.



    Read more: http://www.kentuckynewsnetwork.com/c...#ixzz1qVhXoeiV
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    also true. looks like neither the FD nor the PD thought Zimmerman's injuries required anything more than first aid.
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    Why does the cop stare at the back of his head?
    are you a mind reader?
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    also true. looks like neither the FD nor the PD thought Zimmerman's injuries required anything more than first aid.
    No time to do the search but I believe that I read that Zimmerman rejected going to the hospital.

    I can say that this does not bode well for Zimmerman. However, until the eye-witness is refuted or discredited, I still think that is the stronger evidence.
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    No time to do the search but I believe that I read that Zimmerman rejected going to the hospital.
    his lawyer says different in the ABC article I posted at #1171, but of course that doesn't rule out that Zimmerman rejected hospitalization at some point, then later reconsidered.
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    No time to do the search but I believe that I read that Zimmerman rejected going to the hospital.

    I can say that this does not bode well for Zimmerman. However, until the eye-witness is refuted or discredited, I still think that is the stronger evidence.
    You mean witnesses
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    No time to do the search but I believe that I read that Zimmerman rejected going to the hospital.

    I can say that this does not bode well for Zimmerman. However, until the eye-witness is refuted or discredited, I still think that is the stronger evidence.
    Team Zimmerman says that Trayvon beat him so badly breaking his nose and slamming his head on the concrete that he HAD to use deadly force but didn't need to go to the hospital? Whatever.
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    Team Zimmerman says that Trayvon beat him so badly breaking his nose and slamming his head on the concrete that he HAD to use deadly force but didn't need to go to the hospital? Whatever.
    I'm not taking sides with Martin or Zimmerman yet. But if someone is slamming your head into the ground, you want to use deadly force before you get to the point of having to go to the hospital.
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    I'm not taking sides with Martin or Zimmerman yet. But if someone is slamming your head into the ground, you want to use deadly force before you get to the point of having to go to the hospital.


    IF we has getting his head bashed into the curb, could it not be straight-up self-defense?
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    IF we has getting his head bashed into the curb, could it not be straight-up self-defense?
    We have a winner...or at least enough doubt created that the Prosecutor thought they couldn't get a conviction.
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    We have a winner...or at least enough doubt created that the Prosecutor thought they couldn't get a conviction.
    Yep... Unless we have a "You can't handle the truth" moment and Zimmereman confesses, there is no way he can be prosecuted with the evidence made public.
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    I'm not taking sides with Martin or Zimmerman yet. But if someone is slamming your head into the ground, you want to use deadly force before you get to the point of having to go to the hospital.
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    Yep... Unless we have a "You can't handle the truth" moment and Zimmereman confesses, there is no way he can be prosecuted with the evidence made public.
    That's for the grand jury to decide now.
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    where was the gun when the assault was taking place? in his pocket? holster? hand?

    Depending on that we'll know how easy it would have been for him to reach to it, take it out and shoot it while he was getting his nose broken and head bashed in

    IMO he couldn't have reached for the gun, pointed it and shot it while under a brutal attack as described. Either it was a minor scuffle or he shot him when the victim stopped the attack momentarily if so

    Z's story is a bit sketchy, I see the prosecution building a case regardless
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    We have a winner...or at least enough doubt created that the Prosecutor thought they couldn't get a conviction.
    At this point, I'm not sure many people are disputing that it's going to be hard to convict Zimmerman if indeed Martin was on top of him and bashing his head into the ground. It seems pretty cut and dry at that point.

    I think the problem is with a law that allows you to follow someone and aggravate them enough for them to feel threatened to the point of attacking the follower and giving the follower the ability to shoot the guy he was following. Maybe the facts will show a different scenario but I think the real issue is with the law as it is.
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    That's for the grand jury to decide now.
    Is there going to be a grand jury? Usually the prosecutor requests one if they think they have a reasonable chance of conviction. I hadn't heard that they are going to convene one...of course with all the publicity they may ask for one anyway just to try to put the story to rest.
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    That's for the grand jury to decide now.
    Yes, and they will see evidence that we haven't yet.
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    where was the gun when the assault was taking place? in his pocket? holster? hand?
    The weapon is a palm size pistol. It could have fit in his jeans pocket, inside coat pocket, etc. Just about anywhere.
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    I'm not taking sides with Martin or Zimmerman yet. But if someone is slamming your head into the ground, you want to use deadly force before you get to the point of having to go to the hospital.
    Please, I seen worse beatdowns in a regular street fight and none of them pulled a gun.The fact of the matter is that judge boy Zimmerman knew the law and intended to use a gun in a good ol beatdown. It was basically a death trap for the kid.
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    Is there going to be a grand jury? Usually the prosecutor requests one if they think they have a reasonable chance of conviction. I hadn't heard that they are going to convene one...of course with all the publicity they may ask for one anyway just to try to put the story to rest.
    I thought I read someplace there is one, or will be one. Not 100% certain however.
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