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    So looking at the video, you guys think he sustained enough "injury" to kill a teen?
    It's irrelevant. There's never been a legal requirement for someone to sustain injuries before being able to claim self defense.
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    So looking at the video, you guys think he sustained enough "injury" to kill a teen?
    How much time had elapsed between the "beating" and the time of this police video?

    Moreso curious than trying to make some kinda proof-lacking point.
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    So looking at the video, you guys think he sustained enough "injury" to kill a teen?
    Yep.

    You take that risk when you attack someone and are on top of them pounding their head into the concrete.
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    I fail to see how that helps in this situation
    Really?

    And here I thought you were a somewhat smart troll.
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    So looking at the video, you guys think he sustained enough "injury" to kill a teen?
    Hard to tell with 480i video played back on a compressed 360 signal. There was a definite feature on the back of Zimmerman's head, if that was him.

    Have a freeze frame of the original tape by chance? What about photo's? Surely the police took some.
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    It doesn't take training or a lot of coordination to reach into your pocket and grab the gun and push it against his chest and pull the trigger. I suspect the forensic pathologist found powder burns on the entry wound.
    Where's the kid's blood then? I never been in a situation of seeing someone shot (thank God) but wouldn't blood be spewed on you when you shoot a guy at such close proximity?
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    It doesn't take training or a lot of coordination to reach into your pocket and grab the gun and push it against his chest and pull the trigger. I suspect the forensic pathologist found powder burns on the entry wound.
    I recall seeing something on the news, that they have confirmed that Martin was shot at "very close range."
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    Hard to tell with 480i video played back on a compressed 360 signal. There was a definite feature on the back of Zimmerman's head, if that was him.

    Have a freeze frame of the original tape by chance? What about photo's? Surely the police took some.
    Gotdamn it pissed me off so much how the police either botched this or sabotaged this. WHY in the wouldn't they take pictures of Zimmerman's injuries so it can be proven without a doubt that he was in fear for his life?
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    It doesn't take training or a lot of coordination to reach into your pocket and grab the gun and push it against his chest and pull the trigger. I suspect the forensic pathologist found powder burns on the entry wound.
    I agree under normal circunstances. But having a broken nose and getting your head bashed in the pavement are not normal circunstances.

    Either Z is a ninja/marine or a damn liar
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    Where's the kid's blood then? I never been in a situation of seeing someone shot (thank God) but wouldn't blood be spewed on you when you shoot a guy at such close proximity?
    Depends on where he was shot. Blood wasn't necessarily pumping out, and the hoodie and clothes under that, probably keep all splattering to a minimum.

    Maybe you should ask Dexter.
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    Gotdamn it pissed me off so much how the police either botched this or sabotaged this. WHY in the wouldn't they take pictures of Zimmerman's injuries so it can be proven without a doubt that he was in fear for his life?
    I'll put my money on them taking pictures, but haven't released any to the public.
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    WHY in the wouldn't they take pictures of Zimmerman's injuries so it can be proven without a doubt that he was in fear for his life?
    what makes you sure the Sanford PD didn't? if they did, it would be very improper to publicize them.
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    what makes you sure the Sanford PD didn't? if they did, it would be very improper to publicize them.
    With the ty job they've done overall, that's how I came to that conclusion.
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    It's irrelevant. There's never been a legal requirement for someone to sustain injuries before being able to claim self defense.
    It's irrelevant? It's very relevant because their law states that if you feel you are on the verge of death or suffered "GREAT bodily harm" (actual text), that you can use deadly force.

    Looking at that video, I just don't see that "GREAT bodily harm". Plus he didn't even need to go to the hospital.
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    It seems pretty cut and dry at that point.
    Are you speaking of Zs head?
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    How much time had elapsed between the "beating" and the time of this police video?

    Moreso curious than trying to make some kinda proof-lacking point.
    Doesn't matter. Great bodily harm injuries lasts for days.
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    With the ty job they've done overall, that's how I came to that conclusion.
    I see... The 'all knowing' Creepn has spoken... It must be so...

    Isn't it possible that they did a good job, but the press, who often makes up a story, will say anything for a hot story?

    Were you there? How do you know they didn't do everything by the book?

    Please, enlighten us, oh mighty one.
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    Who was the asshole on here yesterday, saying that any time the FBI investigates, the person must be guilty? I guess we're gonna need a few ropes for these guys? If they weren't already in custody, maybe we could put up some "Wanted Dead Or Alive" posters?


    SENECA, SC - Seneca police said they arrested six men Wednesday in connection with the beating of a North Carolina man at Applebee's earlier in March.

    Police said their investigation determined that the victim was beat by the group of men and the incident may have been racially motivated. The department said they forwarded the case to the FBI to determine if it should be pursued further as a hate crime under federal law.

    The difference between me and most of you wingnuts is that I think even these guys deserve a trial, and are innocent until proven guilty. Only racist nazis want to string someone up before they have the facts.
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    Did anyone here see the 60 Minutes ep on eyewitness testimony and how unreliable it is?
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    Who was the asshole on here yesterday, saying that any time the FBI investigates, the person must be guilty? I guess we're gonna need a few ropes for these guys? If they weren't already in custody, maybe we could put up some "Wanted Dead Or Alive" posters?


    SENECA, SC - Seneca police said they arrested six men Wednesday in connection with the beating of a North Carolina man at Applebee's earlier in March.

    Police said their investigation determined that the victim was beat by the group of men and the incident may have been racially motivated. The department said they forwarded the case to the FBI to determine if it should be pursued further as a hate crime under federal law.

    The difference between me and most of you wingnuts is that I think even these guys deserve a trial, and are innocent until proven guilty. Only racist nazis want to string someone up before they have the facts.
    No...

    No trial...

    Let's hang all six of them like we should have with the Jena Six.
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    Doesn't matter. Great bodily harm injuries lasts for days.
    This has got to be one of the dumbest lines of argument I have ever seen in here.

    Nowhere in the statute does it say that the victim has to wait until he is seeing the white light and baby jesus holding out his hand before he can defend himself.
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    The difference between me and most of you wingnuts is that I think even these guys deserve a trial, and are innocent until proven guilty. Only racist nazis want to string someone up before they have the facts.
    Who here said to punish him without a trial?
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    Did anyone here see the 60 Minutes ep on eyewitness testimony and how unreliable it is?
    You mean how unreliable it can be?
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    This has got to be one of the dumbest lines of argument I have ever seen in here.

    Nowhere in the statute does it say that the victim has to wait until he is seeing the white light and baby jesus holding out his hand before he can defend themselves.
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    Doesn't matter. Great bodily harm injuries lasts for days.
    I'm sure you're not interested in the fact that the video really does appear to show a gash on Zimmerman's head? Or the part where an officer checks out the back of his head for a few seconds? Why let facts get in the way of a good lynchin'?



    I wonder why ABC didn't point either of those things out? I guess you'll just have to find another reason to hate, rather than putting down the rope for now.
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