Maybe it's a racial thing?
Correct. In the end, they will have all the evidence that would be used at trial. They can decide whether charges can and should be brought.
The problem is that nothing is quick enough in our society. We want to jump right in and draw conclusions based on emotion.
At this stage, I am going to presume that the evidence that people want leaked has been leaked. I have shared my conclusions or at least, the argument I would make if I were Zimmerman. I have no clue what the grand jury will do.
Maybe it's a racial thing?
If news agencies stuck to the truth, they wouldn't profit so much on the stories.
That would be for an expert to determine. From your statement, you do not know and are speculating, which would be inadmissible.
Why does ABC need to speculate like you do? It's not like they blurred it out.
IF that is a gash, that is enough to shoot dead a teen in a confrontation that he started?I'm sure you're not interested in the fact that the video really does appear to show a gash on Zimmerman's head? Or the part where an officer checks out the back of his head for a few seconds? Why let facts get in the way of a good lynchin'?
I wonder why ABC didn't point either of those things out? I guess you'll just have to find another reason to hate, rather than putting down the rope for now.
Zimmerman: "I thought my life was in danger."
Now the video is irrelevant.
How do you know they have done a bad job?
Did you know that during investigations, police departments routinely keep the files closed to the public. Usually records are turned over at the close of an investigation.
Have you already concluded that Zimmerman should have been arrested and convicted?
If so, based on what Florida law/ evidence?
Is this a hypothetical question with the premise that Zimmerman struck the first blow? I have seen no evidence of that and I'm pretty confident you haven't either.
It says GREAT bodily harm. GREAT bodily harm is WAY WAY WAY more than a gash on the head.
No, it's a fact that he started the WHOLE thing. Since the beginning.
How do you know? What if most of the damage was internal? Would you be able to see it thirty minutes after the incident?
Are you using your extensive street brawl knowledge to make such a claim?
Then he would've went to the hospital. He was cleared on the spot.
It doesn't matter.
Just how far does the victim have to be beat, if he thinks it's going to get worse, before he takes drastic measures?
Are you saying he has to wait until St. Peter says it's OK?
Here's what the statute actually says dumbass...
It says PREVENT great bodily harm, not that he has to SUSTAIN great bodily harm.Fla. Stat. § 776.012. Use of force in defense of person
A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:
(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony
When Martin was pounding his head on the concrete there was a clear and indisputable possibility of great bodily harm.
Are you sure he was cleared? I read that he rejected further medical attention.
But to your other point. Can you tell me how Florida defines "Great Bodily Harm". You have alleged that his injuries do not meet this prerequisite for self-defense. Please support with a definition within the Florida Statutes or Florida Caselaw.
I have seen way worse injuries in a street fight and a gun was neither pulled nor the guy that inflicted the damage go to jail for attempted murder.
Damn you are an idiot.
Even assuming Zimmerman verbally confronted Martin Zimmerman could have talked all the he wanted and it's not an assault. Zimmerman may be an asshole but if he didn't throw the first punch it's not an assault.
Martin punching Zimmerman in the nose, however WAS an assault.
Pounding Zimmermans head into the concrete was a clear threat of great bodily harm.
Zimmerman may be a total asshole but under the Florida law he seems to be well within his right to cap Martin.
So if someone is sitting on you bashing your head in the ground, you're supposed to wait until you know you're incurring life threatening damage?
And remember, at this point, Zimmerman thought Martin might use the Skittles on him.
Can be yes. Did not mean to imply it always is.
However the show did an excellent job of showing how it more often then not is unreliable. Gave some stunning examples. In a very nice twist, the gal who put away a guy for years (and yes he is black) was just absolutely positive she had i.d.'d him correctly as her rapist. Years later forensics proved him innocent and the real perp was caught. Now black guy and she go around the country advocating against eyewitness testimony (well, advocating against it being used to lock up innocent people). The show might be watchable on CBSs archives. Im not sure about that but if you see it i predict you will really enjoy it. Very well done.
Martin was the one facing imminent threat when Zimmerman had a gun.
Punching somebody in the nose if somebody else assaulted you first is not assault. We need to move on from this "who started the first physical attack" phase because we just don't know.
No one even knows if his head was even "pounded" on the pavement and Team Zimmerman already lied in this case.
let's see:
- nobody knows who threw the first punch
- nobody knows the extent of Z's injuries
- nobody knows what evidence the victim's body has to account for the incident
we know nothing. ppl arguing on either side are mainly talking
LOL... but they did say that there were no signs of any head injury, even though that was a lie. And they did overlay their logo and other text over Zimmerman's head, right at the time that the mark was visible. (Strangely, now that they've been outed, they have removed the overlay on that part of the video.) But, hey, why let facts get in your way? You never did before.
Now jump, puppet. Think of some other excuse.
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