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    Does anyone else think that the idea that I could provoke someone then shoot them because I fear for my life, is bonkers? Just straight up ing nutso?
    Yes.
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    FL law says you can shoot anybody if you "feel" threatened, and no judge or police will blink.

    But what about beating the out of somebody if you "feel" threatened (followed and confronted by a stalker)?
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    In this case I am tragic.

    I am also blurry, and hard to pin down.

    No one posting here knows me outside of how I have been presented in news reports.

    This is probably one of the few discussions taking place on this board that matters.
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    No, but I just don't think the "Stand your Ground"/don't have to retreat anywhere doctrine shouldn't apply to you if you were the one starting an argument.
    It doesn't.
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    I heard the whole tape today in full and was not predisposed to judge one way or the other.

    I have to say, I was struck by the long conversation between the dispatcher and the shooter. The dispatcher clearly said "we don't NEED you to follow him". She didn't say DON'T follow him. They then started talking about where he should meet the policeman when he got there and the dispatcher suggested they meet at the mailboxes. From the guys heavy breathing it seemed pretty clear he was still following the kid so he "didn't get away" before the police got there. He then told the dispatcher to just have the policeman call him when he got there and he would tell him where he was and the dispatcher said OK...It seemed almost like an acceptance and approval that he was following the kid. What happened after that is anyones guess at this point.

    I certainly don't approve of the shooters behavior but it doesn't seem as clear cut as what I had been led to believe from reports.

    I don't see how you could be on the fence about this. The kid was unarmed and not doing anything wrong. The guy was told he didn't need to follow the kid but he not only followed him, he confronted him when he knew police were on the way. I don't see any scenario in which he shouldn't be facing charges, voluntary manslaughter at a minimum.
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    First of all, the dispatcher was not a woman - which tells you just how closely Cosmic was listening to the 911 call. And furthermore, of course the dispatcher was telling Zimmerman not to follow Trayvon. How you managed to convince yourself that there was some type of implicit permission given to Zimmerman to hunt down Trayvon is beyond me. There isn't a law enforcement person in their right mind that would approve of some armed neighborhood vigilante going ahead and taking care of the "bad guy" himself until police arrived.
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    Does anyone else think that the idea that I could provoke someone then shoot them because I fear for my life, is bonkers? Just straight up ing nutso?
    Absolutely.
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    Listen to it again (lol @ how it says "explicit" on this website)

    http://www.wftv.com/videos/news/orig...xplicit/vGbyc/
    There's no way he said "coons". The "nks" sound at the end of the word is obvious.

    Anybody who thinks he said "coons" must just be aching for this to be racial. It seems like he was just one of those wannabe cop types. They're never stable people with anybody.
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    How do you know this? Not to be a jerk, just curious.
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    How can hate be a crime and illegal? How can an emotion or feeling be a crime and illegal?
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    How can hate be a crime and illegal? How can an emotion or feeling be a crime and illegal?
    Hate, emotion and feeling are not crimes or illegal.
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    This wacko apparently made 46 calls since Jan 2011 regarding disturbances in the area. All this when he was not even part of any registered neighborhood watch organization.

    Link

    If he walks free, it basically means in Florida you can approach an unarmed person, start a confrontation, and then shoot them dead out of "fear for your life" when they fight back.
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    The murderer's mug shot:
    You mean accused...
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    This wacko apparently made 46 calls since Jan 2011 regarding disturbances in the area. All this when he was not even part of any registered neighborhood watch organization.

    Link

    If he walks free, it basically means in Florida you can approach an unarmed person, start a confrontation, and then shoot them dead out of "fear for your life" when they fight back.
    Can anyone provide a link that doesn't contain lies?

    If all we have against this guy is material that cannot stand on the truth, then this guy will go free.
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    Can anyone provide a link that doesn't contain lies?

    If all we have against this guy is material that cannot stand on the truth, then this guy will go free.
    <Edit: there were 46 calls, but all of them didn't happen in the last year or so. 20 of these appear to be within the last 2 years. Regardless, most of them were borderline frivolous>

    Here's a summary log of his 46 calls btw. Here's a more detailed log from the Sanford, FL govt website.

    A majority of these calls appear trivial. A few samples:
    - Children “running and playing in the street”
    - Two black male suspects “20–30 YOA in [white] Chevy poss Impala at the gate of the community.
    - Two black males, one wearing a black tank top and black shorts, the second wearing a black t-shirt and jeans … “Subjs are in their teens”
    - Black male last seen wearing a white tank top and black shorts
    - Juvenile black male “apprx 7–9” years old, four feet tall “skinny build short blk hair” last seen wearing a blue t-shirt and blue shorts
    - Subject “at the clubhouse & pool areas having a party”
    - “Aggressive white and brown pitbull” sitting outside Zimmerman’s home
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    <Edit: there were 46 calls, but all of them didn't happen in the last year or so. 20 of these appear to be within the last 2 years. Regardless, most of them were borderline frivolous>

    Here's a summary log of his 46 calls btw. Here's a more detailed log from the Sanford, FL govt website.

    A majority of these calls appear trivial. A few samples:
    - Children “running and playing in the street”
    - Two black male suspects “20–30 YOA in [white] Chevy poss Impala at the gate of the community.
    - Two black males, one wearing a black tank top and black shorts, the second wearing a black t-shirt and jeans … “Subjs are in their teens”
    - Black male last seen wearing a white tank top and black shorts
    - Juvenile black male “apprx 7–9” years old, four feet tall “skinny build short blk hair” last seen wearing a blue t-shirt and blue shorts
    - Subject “at the clubhouse & pool areas having a party”
    - “Aggressive white and brown pitbull” sitting outside Zimmerman’s home
    So I have to wonder...

    Do you live your day to day life based of cir stantial evidence that is spun by pundits with an agenda?
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    So I have to wonder...

    Do you live your day to day life based of cir stantial evidence that is spun by pundits with an agenda?
    "Spun by pundits"? WTF? I just posted a list of calls made by this individual, many of which are self-evidently trivial. I don't think calling 911 whenever you see an unfamiliar black face is normal behavior. And where is "spin by pundits" anywhere in my post? Do you even understand the meaning of "spin"?

    I think you're borderline re ed, so I won't waste any more time on you.
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    "Spun by pundits"? WTF? I just posted a list of calls made by this individual, many of which are self-evidently trivial. I don't think calling 911 whenever you see an unfamiliar black face is normal behavior. And where is "spin by pundits" anywhere in my post? Do you even understand the meaning of "spin"?

    I think you're borderline re ed, so I won't waste any more time on you.
    Do you know how to comprehend what you read?

    The list is stated to be "911 and non emergency" calls. Not just 911. 46 incidence since 2004. I don't find that unusual for someone taking active watch of a community. Did you read through them, or are you just regurgitating what the propaganda is telling you to? There are several that are completely valid if you read them.

    Would you call the police if you talked to your sister on the phone from another location and she was scared from a stranger outside?

    How about a loose aggressive dog?

    How about load noise, from a slow moving car at 2 AM?

    Unwelcome person you don't want to let in after midnight, causing trouble?

    Should I go on?
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    If he walks free, it basically means in Florida you can approach an unarmed person, start a confrontation, and then shoot them dead out of "fear for your life" when they fight back.
    Or like this.

    ...in Florida an adult can approach an unarmed, completely innocent child, scare them, and then shoot them dead out of "fear for your life" when they try to protect themselves from their pursuer.

    Sounds like an awful place.
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    What I want to know is why Jeb ain't speaking about this tragic injustice! He's got time to yap about Romney but not about this serious issue.
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    What I want to know is why Jeb ain't speaking about this tragic injustice! He's got time to yap about Romney but not about this serious issue.
    he's a Bush
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    So they drug test the victims body but don't test the shooter? WTF!?
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    not so surprised at the usual board conservatives defending this "accused" murderer for usual straw man BS reasons, but I thought CC was a little more independent than this.

    It's funny until you're the person being victimized.
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    Thank God he is a Mexican and not white. Now I don't care about this story anymore. Well, I think maybe they should prosecute the white Sheriff.
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