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    Unlike you, I'm not invested nor interested in the case. And I know the science behind the technology. I studied it, I use it, and I had to write software that uses it. The part where I wonder if there's anything wrong with the science or the technology is long in the past. I know what the caveats are for using any particular method.

    Which brings me to the question I asked specifically to test your knowledge in the area. Are you going to answer that?
    I don't believe you know as much as you think you do. Saying Timbre is important, then dismissing physical changes that change timbre is real telling.
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    I don't believe you know as much as you think you do. Saying Timbre is important, then dismissing physical changes that change timbre is real telling.
    This is very common from you. Because you see something as a big black box you don't understand, you dismiss it with technicalities that have been dealt with a long time ago. State of the art complex statistical models are only new to you. They've been used in all sorts of fields for a fairly long time. HMM models are used from speaker recognition to things like cryptoanalysis (which is a lot closer to home for me).

    And the real problem here is not what I know, but what YOU know nothing about. After all, it isn't me making stupid assertions. And it wasn't just me calling you out on it.
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    This is very common from you. Because you see something as a big black box you don't understand, you dismiss it with technicalities that have been dealt with a long time ago. State of the art complex statistical models are only new to you. They've been used in all sorts of fields for a fairly long time. HMM models are used from speaker recognition to things like cryptoanalysis (which is a lot closer to home for me).

    And the real problem here is not what I know, but what YOU know nothing about. After all, it isn't me making stupid assertions. And it wasn't just me calling you out on it.
    Believe as you wish. You are correct that I am not versed in these areas, but I do know there are limitations and that 90% is unreasonable under the situation. I simply cannot believe you accept Owen's stated conclusion. Especially after he "cautions" about not having a sample of martin's voice. isn't it obvious that he leaves open the possibility it is not martin's voice? Would you say if martin only had a 48% match as well, that a third person was screaming for help?

    I guess we will wait for the outcomes as they are announced.

    Don't you think it's possible Owen purposely said things like he did to be on the case as a paid witness? I did recently read that he is now just that. A witness for the prosecution.

    What will you say if he turns out looking like a fool?
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    I can't believe y'all are still arguing about the freaking tapes.
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    I can't put down o's from Austin. That's some smooth Vodka.
    Yep, o's is the best. I also tried Enchanted Rock but think o's is still better. Also priced right...$27 for 1.75 liter @ Costco.
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    Believe as you wish. You are correct that I am not versed in these areas
    That didn't stop you from stating you "have experience in the field", and pretending you know how it all works, did it?

    I can't believe y'all are still arguing about the freaking tapes.
    Cobra doesn't like to be called out on his ignorance. Took him a good 50+ posts until finally admitting he's "no versed in these areas". Heck, this argument came back up after he claimed I was avoiding answering some more of his asinine claims.


    He's still missing I made no qualifications as to whether Owen is right or wrong. I'm not invested in this case as he is. It's his arbitrary claims on the underlying technology what he got called out on. Hopefully that can be put to rest now.
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    Yep, o's is the best. I also tried Enchanted Rock but think o's is still better. Also priced right...$27 for 1.75 liter @ Costco.
    I'm gonna have to try that one...
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    http://abcnews.go.com/images/US/ht_g...0419_wmain.jpg

    Here is a picture of the back of his head three minutes after Zimmerman shot Martin.

    Here is the ABC story.

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimm...9#.T5FQs9lWBIQ
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    thats strange. anyone else see anything strange about that?
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    a strange looking, strange colored head.

    The blood seems very bright red for being how old?

    So an armed, racist, vigilante wanna-be cop stalks and provokes an unarmed kid (a "young black male" Z's friend said he was obsessed with) into "standing his ground" and then kills the kid. Cased closed, Z is a murderer.
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    thats strange. anyone else see anything strange about that?
    yeah...I'm not taking any sides but it isn't what I would expect given the story that's been told so far.

    I really have no clue about head injuries and what they should look like. But I would think getting your head banged into the ground wouldn't result in that. It looks like it was cut with something. And to me the location looks too high to have occurred from someone on top of him banging his head into the ground.

    Although looking at it again, the injury on the lower right side would seem to fit.
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    I don't see anything strange about it.



    Laughing at Bou for saying the blood is too red.
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    I don't see anything strange about it.



    Laughing at Bou for saying the blood is too red.
    Look... I've been hunting all my life. And many times, I end up having to beat the animal's head into the ground to finish it off. The resulting head wounds never look like the one on Zimmerman.
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    Look... I've been hunting all my life. And many times, I end up having to beat the animals head into the ground to finish it off. The resulting head wounds never look like the one on Zimmerman.
    I see a special witness being called by the Travon Prosecution team.
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    Look... I've been hunting all my life. And many times, I end up having to beat the animals head into the ground to finish it off. The resulting head wounds never look like the one on Zimmerman.


    You forgot to put that in blue.
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    I don't see anything strange about it.



    Laughing at Bou for saying the blood is too red.
    blood that's several hours old is not bright red, unless you believe movie/tv fake blood as bright red hours or days old (instead of black).
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    blood that's several hours old is not bright red, unless you believe movie/tv fake blood as bright red hours or days old (instead of black).
    More reading comprehension fail by Bou .

    The article explicitly states the picture was taken 3 minutes after Martin was shot.
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    More reading comprehension fail by Bou .

    The article explicitly states the picture was taken 3 minutes after Martin was shot.
    cue boutons to talk about the VRWC or repugs or something
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    Look... I've been hunting all my life. And many times, I end up having to beat the animals head into the ground to finish it off. The resulting head wounds never look like the one on Zimmerman.
    I don't care who you are, that's funny right there!
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    blood that's several hours old is not bright red, unless you believe movie/tv fake blood as bright red hours or days old (instead of black).
    lol, you gotta READ!!!
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    he's married? he and his wife live with his mommy and daddy?

    yep, he's a happy dude.
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    lol reading the bible.
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    Apparently the judge in the case agrees with Yoni that the charge was a little exaggerated. He grilled their ass at the bond hearing this morning (BTW, 150K bond was set)

    http://southflorida.sun-sentinel.com...,4802623.story

    State Attorney's investigator Dale Gilbreath testified earlier. O'Mara questioned him about the probable cause affidavit he signed for the second-degree murder charge. Gilbreath said he did not expect to testify at the hearing.

    O'Mara grilled Gilbreath on his use of the word "profiling" in describing Zimmerman's behavior that night, asking why he used the term. Gilbreath said the term indicates that Zimmerman saw the teen, then formed an opinion of him not based on any facts.

    O'Mara asked Gilbreath about unattributed statements in several sections of the affidavit.

    "'Zimmerman confronted Martin.' Those words, where'd you get them from," O'Mara asked.

    "According to one of the witnesses that we talked with, there were arguing words going on before this incident occured," Gilbreath said. He said "confronted," the word O'Mara took issue with, was one of probably 30 he could have used.

    Prosecutor Bernie De La Rionda then questioned Gilbreath. He asked is there was any evidence that Trayvon Martin shouldn't have been in the neighborhood where the shooting occurred, or was breaking any law. Gilbreath said no.

    Gilbreath testified that there is video of Trayvon Martin buying Skittles and iced tea before the shooting. He also said that Trayvon was unarmed.

    During further questioning by O'Mara, Gilbreath admitted that the state has no evidence who started the fight. There is also no evidence that Zimmerman didn't walk back to his car after chasing Martin on foot, as the defendant has claimed.
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    Gilbreath admitted that the state has no evidence who started the fight. There is also no evidence that Zimmerman didn't walk back to his car after chasing Martin on foot, as the defendant has claimed.
    2nd degree murder? Overcharge, did we?
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