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    idk, a grown, married man living with mommy and daddy?

    i'm sure he's emotionally stable.
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    2nd degree murder? Overcharge, did we?
    its 2nd degree cuz the guy deliberately stalked and ended up killing the kid.
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    its 2nd degree cuz the guy deliberately stalked and ended up killing the kid.
    Technically stalking in a legal sense requires multiple repeated acts.

    But you knew that, didn't you?
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    http://definitions.uslegal.com/s/stalking/

    A person who intentionally and repeatedly follows or harasses another person and who makes a credible threat, either expressed or implied, with the intent to place that person in reasonable fear of death or serious bodily harm is guilty of the crime of stalking.
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    i don't think he cared about legal sense.
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    i don't think he cared about legal sense.
    Well, fortunately for the rest of us, whether he cared or not, the law suggests there was no stalking.
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    he was out looking for prey.........with a gun.

    should we call that.........hunting?
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    he was out looking for prey.........with a gun.

    should we call that.........hunting?
    Now you are just trolling.
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    Now you are just trolling.
    what would you call it?
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    I still call it a tragic misunderstanding by both parties.

    And based on these new admissions by the prosecution IMHO they don't have a snowballs chance in Florida of getting a 2nd degree murder conviction.
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    hunting, yep, exactly what the vigilante was doing.

    Armed and stalking his young black male hoodie prey, confronting him aka went in for the kill, and then killing him. Mission Accomplished, got his trophy.
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    I still call it a tragic misunderstanding by both parties.
    george didn't know what he was doing?
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    hunting, yep, exactly what the vigilante was doing.

    Armed and stalking his young black male hoodie prey, confronting him aka went in for the kill, and then killing him. Mission Accomplished, got his trophy.
    Bou !

    Why call the police ahead of time then where they would arrive almost simultaneously? That makes absolutely no sense.
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    george didn't know what he was doing?
    Sure, he knew he was trying to keep an eye on Martin until the police got there.

    Are you really going to troll this again?
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    Bou !

    Why call the police ahead of time then where they would arrive almost simultaneously? That makes absolutely no sense.
    i agree. george really ed up. big time.

    dude got issues.
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    Sure, he knew he was trying to keep an eye on Martin until the police got there.

    Are you really going to troll this again?
    dude is packin a gun. he has intent. and he's pissed......about everything in his life.
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    Bou !

    Why call the police ahead of time then where they would arrive almost simultaneously? That makes absolutely no sense.
    To make it look more accidental.

    "im gonna call 911 to cover my ass then disregard everything they tell me"
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    Blue team is on fire with comedy this morning...
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    george's parents are probably happy. anything to get this guy and his wife outta the house.
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    I still call it a tragic misunderstanding by both parties.

    And based on these new admissions by the prosecution IMHO they don't have a snowballs chance in Florida of getting a 2nd degree murder conviction.
    I disagree. Someone intentionally escalated the encounter to violence.

    That's not a misunderstanding.
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    I disagree. Someone intentionally escalated the encounter to violence.

    That's not a misunderstanding.
    yep, he knew what he was doin.
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    I disagree. Someone intentionally escalated the encounter to violence.

    That's not a misunderstanding.
    Try to keep up Yoni.

    Zimmerman saw a black kid in a hoodie and thought he was looking for something to steal.

    That was a misunderstanding.

    Martin saw a Mexican following him (possibly to rob or mug him?) and allegedly decided to confront him about it.

    That was a misunderstanding.

    The fact that it escalated to violence was tragic, but if the police have no evidence that Zimmerman initiated the escalation to violence then IMHO they can't possibly prove 2nd degree murder. Beyond a shadow of a doubt is a damn high threshold.
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    why didn't the guy just enlist?


    oh....yeah.....the enemy packs heat.







    nevermind.
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    Stalking

    So celebrity stalkers stalk their victims for only 20 minutes or so???????
    They go to jail for years for something that takes about the same amount of time as a good morning dump?????
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    Try to keep up Yoni.

    Zimmerman saw a black kid in a hoodie and thought he was looking for something to steal.

    That was a misunderstanding.

    Martin saw a Mexican following him (possibly to rob or mug him?) and allegedly decided to confront him about it.

    That was a misunderstanding.

    The fact that it escalated to violence was tragic, but if the police have no evidence that Zimmerman initiated the escalation to violence then IMHO they can't possibly prove 2nd degree murder. Beyond a shadow of a doubt is a damn high threshold.
    I'm keeping up fine. At some point, the misunderstandings had to result in one of the two involved making a conscious decision to do something that exceeded a reasonable response to either of the misunderstandings you describe.

    According to the girlfriend, Trayvon asked Zimmerman, "Why are you following me?" Also, according to the girlfriend, Zimmerman responded, "What are you doing here?"

    It was at that point someone made a conscious decision to escalate the misunderstanding to violence.

    And, taking all we know about the incident so far, I'm led to believe that because Trayvon Martin didn't simply say, "I live here -- what ing business is it of your?," that it was him that made that decision.

    That's my opinion. That's what Zimmerman claims. And, so far, all the public fact known about the case are consistent with that scenario. Could it be wrong should other information come to light? Absolutely.
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