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    Do you have proof of these drones or something?

    The drones you didn't mention....
    arlington is one of the first cities getting the drones. check out the comments on the page you asshole, i'm not the only one who sees what's going on. you're a hopeless apologist and a sheep you deserve what you get when this hits the fan.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1537074.html

    WASHINGTON -- The Department of Homeland Security has launched a program to "facilitate and accelerate the adoption" of small, unmanned drones by police and other public safety agencies, an effort that an agency official admitted faces "a very big hurdle having to do with privacy."

    The $4 million Air-based Technologies Program, which will test and evaluate small, unmanned aircraft systems, is designed to be a "middleman" between drone manufacturers and first-responder agencies "before they jump into the pool," said John Appleby, a manager in the DHS Science and Technology Directorate's division of borders and maritime security.

    Appleby provided program details to a friendly audience at the Counter Terror Expo here last week. Just days before, the Federal Aviation Administration had issued new rules to streamline licensing for government agencies seeking to operate lightweight drones.

    The DHS program "is meant to aid the user community in making informed decisions" about buying drones, said a DHS spokeswoman. She said the department can help law enforcement agencies "better understand what this technology can contribute in areas such as real-time law enforcement operational support; special event response; crime scene situational awareness; border security; fire/wildfire detection; and disaster evaluation and initial response."

    Appleby said he hopes to invite vendors to participate in field tests of sensors and other drone capabilities at a military base somewhere in the Southwest this summer. Later this year, the FAA plans separate tests that will focus on how to safely and efficiently integrate unmanned aircraft into the same airspace with piloted airplanes.

    It may be a few years before these automated eyes fill the sky, but privacy advocates, lawmakers and civil liberties groups are already worried about potential abuses.

    "If DHS is going to serve as a Consumer Reports for local authorities that are interested in buying drones and help them figure out which drones perform well and appropriate for their needs, that's great," said Jay Stanley of the American Civil Liberties Union. "At the same time, we do know that DHS ins utionally has had a role in pushing local governments to increase their surveillance through grants. I would hope they would not use this program to encourage unnecessary surveillance."


    Most people likely wouldn't consider the use of unmanned aircraft to find missing children, locate lost hikers or detect forest fires as "unnecessary" surveillance. But given that fewer than 400 of the nation's 18,000 law enforcement agencies currently have aviation units, the FAA has chosen a go-slow approach with a focus on safety. Initially, law enforcement agencies will be just licensed for training and performance evaluation. Only when a department has shown that it is proficient will it be granted an operational license.

    Patrick Egan, a Sacramento, Calif., consultant who heads the Silicon Valley chapter of the Association for Unmanned Vehicle Systems International, an industry trade group, said the DHS program has merit. "Somebody needs to do it," he said. "There's too much room for problems. If they don’t educate police departments, there will be a backlash to this technology."

    Indeed, an ACLU report released this past December said, "Our privacy laws are not strong enough to ensure that the new technology will be used responsibly and consistently with democratic values." It warned of a coming "'surveillance society' in which our every move is monitored, tracked, recorded, and scrutinized by the authorities."

    A preview of that came in 2007 when Houston police not so secretly tested an unmanned aircraft that the department hoped to use, among other functions, in issuing speeding tickets. More recently, a police SWAT team in Grand Forks, N.D., deployed a borrowed DHS Predator drone to assist in making the first arrest of an American using pilot-less airborne surveillance.

    The FAA has already authorized police in a handful of cities -- including Seattle; Arlington, Texas; North Little Rock, Ark.; Gadsden, Ala.; and Ogden, Utah -- to fly drones. But with those numbers set to soar, at least two pundits have suggested an individual who shot down a surveillance drone would become a "hero" to some.

    Once "the bottleneck has passed and every police department does indeed have eyes everywhere, our notions of privacy under the Fourth Amendment and reasonable searches … will need to be reevaluated," wrote University of North Dakota aviation law professor Joseph Vacek in a 2010 law review article, "Big Brother Will Soon Be Watching--Or Will He?" "It seems the state will have the power, both cons utionally and technologically, to continually monitor its citizens from above."

    The FAA rules allow government agencies to operate drones weighing from a few ounces to 25 pounds, small enough to fit in a backpack or the trunk of a police cruiser. Because most drones cannot detect and avoid other aircraft themselves, for now they must fly no more than 400 feet off the ground and within sight of the operator. Currently, only U.S. Customs and Border Patrol will be operating the big Predators, stationed along the country's southern and northern borders.

    Nonetheless, Amie Stepanovich of the Electronic Privacy Information Center, an advocacy group, pointed out that small, unmanned aircraft are "more maneuverable and quieter than" helicopters and piloted aircraft, and are capable of carrying gigapixel cameras, infrared and thermal imaging technology, automated license plate readers and, soon, facial recognition technology. And some drones have cameras able "to track 65 separate targets over a large radius," she said.

    While DHS may be "easing the burden" on police departments with its new program, it is "not providing these agencies with best practices to protect privacy and civil liberties, nor is the agency mandating transparency or accountability in the operation of the drones that it funds" through a separate program, Stepanovich said. "This means that those affected by the proliferation of drones in their communities have no method to discover what drones have been licensed in their area, to whom, or how they are being used."

    Such criticisms were very much on Appleby's mind when he spoke about the program at the Counter Terror Expo. The DHS official said government must explain the costs and benefits of the new technology in order to win over a skeptical public already annoyed by increasingly ubiquitous surveillance cameras.

    "We have a very tall challenge to change public perception. Otherwise, we'll be stopped cold in our tracks if we don't do this thoughtfully," he said. "We have to bring the public along every step of the way" and convince them "we will not be watching backyards."

    Yet even as he acknowledged critics, Appleby beamed over a recently tested wide-area surveillance system that would allow federal border agents to see the entire city of Nogales, Ariz., down to the street level. He called such sensors the "kinds of tools that could be game changers" in dealing with violence along the border.

    That sort of persistent ongoing surveillance concerns Egan, the industry consultant. He said defense contractors, faced with a shrinking military market, are lobbying hard to provide "counterinsurgency applications" to local police in order to keep sales up. The question remains whether the DHS test program will prove little more than an enabler.

    "Police departments are going to make a big mistake. I don't think the American public is ready for what I call the 'Taliban treatment,'" Egan said. "This is still America."

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    Sounds like you'll be working for that last dude soon enough.
    won't happen, they don't have jack in the box where i'll be going if it ever came to that. i will do whatever it takes for prosperity and won't settle for less. you really should be a bit more sympathetic towards this nations youth and the hardship that we are all facing.

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    arlington is one of the first cities getting the drones. check out the comments on the page you asshole, i'm not the only one who sees what's going on. you're a hopeless apologist and a sheep you deserve what you get when this hits the fan.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1537074.html
    I'm not going to read the comments. What do you think is going on?

    won't happen, they don't have jack in the box where i'll be going if it ever came to that. i will do whatever it takes for prosperity and won't settle for less. you really should be a bit more sympathetic towards this nations youth and the hardship that we are all facing.
    Where would you go without any money?

    And why is your potential hardship any different from what others are actually facing and dealing with?

    But thanks for verifying everything I said you posted.

    lol arrogance in victimhood

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    i don't have much sympathy for the liberal arts majors but the engineers and who don't have jobs now that pisses me off
    Even for UTSA engineers?

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    No not for anyone at UTSA lol

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    They are victims who were forced to get loans and attend expensive schools.

    Is there going to be an Occupy Bought too much car? Occupy Lived beyond my means? etc.


    Oh well, their victimhood and complete refusal to accept personal responsibility will make them good little Dembots.
    IF the school overstates your job opportunties after you get one of their degrees, and offers you loans, based on that information, which seem like good investments, then that job fails to appear, it is all the fault of the student.

    Ok.



    Many schools are acting like the mortgage brokers that got us into the mortgage mess. They are giving loans out to anybody, then selling the loans. They keep the tuition and cash flows, and don't have any skin in the game when it comes to repayment, because they have foisted the debt in a collateralized chunk to some investor.

    Sound familiar?

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    arlington is one of the first cities getting the drones. check out the comments on the page you asshole, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1537074.html


    dont sun bath in the nude anymore.



    ok. I will try not to do that anymore.

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    i don't have THAT much of a sense of en lement but i'm not going to be one of those people working for 12 dollars an hour with a degree, there's no point in that and it would never pay back the loans
    So, how would such a person pay their bills?

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    So, how would such a person pay their bills?
    you can't pay bills very well on 12 an hour, what are you trying to say here just spit it out completely

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    Ben Cohen, the co-founder of Ben & Jerry's ice cream, is helping pay for the protest and has raised about $400,000 to fund Occupy-related projects.

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    Maybe he should poor that money into resume drafting classes to help these people find a job.

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    such a simpleton, yes the reason that all of these people are out of work is because they don't know how to write resume's!! definitely not an issue of politics and macroeconomics i pity you

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    while i chose to live at home feeling like a got.





    Suck less and you won't feel like such a got.

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    I finished college right before 9/11 and the market was almost as tough to break into then. So I got a real low paying job at a large company and proceeded to work extremely hard. Eventually, people noticed.

    10 years later, I'm doing quite well.

    You know what I didn't do? Cry.

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    Suck less and you won't feel like such a got.
    suck , mother er. staying home wasn't the "cool" or "fun" thing to do, but it got the job done. it was pretty much necessary and i'm glad i did the right thing and don't owe 50,000.

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    suck , mother er. staying home wasn't the "cool" or "fun" thing to do, but it got the job done. it was pretty much necessary and i'm glad i did the right thing and don't owe 50,000.
    So where are you planning to move if you renounce your citizenship?

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    suck , mother er..
    Don't get mad at me, I'm just pointing out a way in which you can feel like less of a got.

    You said it yourself, you felt like a got.

    I've never felt that way, so I assume you were doing something (like sucking ) that made you feel like one.

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    I don't bank on going anywhere at least not immediately, I'm actually very confident I'll get a good job. Probably establish myself here before moving abroad. I'm confident I can find a higher standard if health and living elsewhere.

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    I don't bank on going anywhere at least not immediately, I'm actually very confident I'll get a good job. Probably establish myself here before moving abroad. I'm confident I can find a higher standard if health and living elsewhere.
    Not with grammar like that you won't.

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    Don't get mad at me, I'm just pointing out a way in which you can feel like less of a got.

    You said it yourself, you felt like a got.

    I've never felt that way, so I assume you were doing something (like sucking ) that made you feel like one.
    Meant it as an expression you product of our k-12 education system

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    Meant it as an expression you product of our k-12 education system
    At least I have a good job.

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    Not with grammar like that you won't.
    "I" and "o" happen to be right next to eachother on the keyboard, especially small and close together on a cell phone touch screen. You'll have to excuse Apple, you imbecile.

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    I don't bank on going anywhere at least not immediately, I'm actually very confident I'll get a good job. Probably establish myself here before moving abroad. I'm confident I can find a higher standard if health and living elsewhere.
    But if you don't, what's your plan? You said you'd give it six months before Operation Don't Let the Door Hit My Ass on the Way Out.

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    At least I have a good job.
    Does your job entail going around acting as a grammar nazi on the Internet?

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    "I" and "o" happen to be right next to eachother on the keyboard, especially small and close together on a cell phone touch screen. You'll have to excuse Apple, you imbecile.
    You know what employers really look for in a new candidate? One that uses terms like, " got" when describing how he felt while living at home with his parents.

    I'd hire you on the spot...... got.

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    But if you don't, what's your plan? You said you'd give it six months before Operation Don't Let the Door Hit My Ass on the Way Out.
    My plan is my confidence and abilities but someday I'll end up in buenos aires or someplace in australia.

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