Why I think Climate Change Denial is little more than pseudoscience. - Part 1

[RandomGuy]

Florida was under water much longer than above water. Nothing to do with humans. That's why it so unstable and full of sink holes.

Indeed.

So how is that relevant to what is going to happen to it because of humans? Going to trot out the same bad arguments that were debunked literally years ago in this thread?

Do I need to explain strawman arguments to you again? Really?

smh

[RandomGuy]

Florida was under water much longer than above water. Nothing to do with humans. That's why it so unstable and full of sink holes.

X condition existed naturally in the past
X condition no longer applies through natural action
Therefore human action can't cause X condition to exist again.

Or alternately
X condition existed naturally in the past
X condition no longer applies through natural action
Therefore only natural action can cause X condition to exist again.


Rock A existed naturally on top of Rock B in the past.
Rock A through natural flood action is now no longer on top of Rock B.
Therefore human action can't cause rock A to be on top of Rock B.

I am, of course, guessing at what you are trying to say. Why do you put so little effort into it?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

But the antarctic is gaining 80 billion

That cancels out the 375

Increased sea ice is not a good thing.

[Wild Cobra]

I don't think I have the expertise or knowledge to effectively provide any opinion.

I have seen it presented as a possibility in a time frame over 100+ or so years, if memory serves.

And that is using the highest of assessments, and we are on track with the lowest of assessments.

Seems like a real ignorant belief to me. But then, your dogma is a false religion.

[RandomGuy]

And that is using the highest of assessments, and we are on track with the lowest of assessments.

Seems like a real ignorant belief to me. But then, your dogma is a false religion.

(yawn)

Sorry not interested in the bait.

I noticed you still haven't answered the question:

What do you think will happen to the teratons of melting ice?

[Wild Cobra]

(yawn)

Sorry not interested in the bait.

I noticed you still haven't answered the question:

What do you think will happen to the teratons of melting ice?

Remind me. Which ice is in question?

Sea ice or sheet ice?

Sea ice has no effect on sea level. Sheet ice is in approximate balance between growing and shrinking mass areas.

Let me correct that. Not balance, but at a steady rate of small decline trend for a few hundred years.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Remind me. Which ice is in question?

Sea ice or sheet ice?

Sea ice has no effect on sea level. Sheet ice is in approximate balance between growing and shrinking mass areas.

Let me correct that. Not balance, but at a steady rate of small decline trend for a few hundred years.

When land ice becomes sea ice it does, dim.

[Wild Cobra]

When land ice becomes sea ice it does, dim.

LOL...

You are truly a total re .

LOL...

What you said is meaningless to my statement.

LOL...

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[spurraider21]

Both sides are laughable and ponderous with their stances. To deny that it is getting hotter than a is re ed beyond belief but putting a ing non-scientist pedophile idiot like Bill Nye behind your fear mongering and stupid "we're all gonna drown" apocalyptic-scenario propaganda is of course the next jump in ridiculous posturing.

It's ing hot. Nothing is going to change it. Big Oil gets its belly rubbed by the Dems and the Repubs, so it's more PR posturing from both sides than anyone actually every doing anything that isn't financially motivated. Someone will come in and say, "but they did this, this and this" and selectively ignore their party's actions or lack of, and it's one big cluster .

This is definitely a gangbang of ery from both sides and I ing HATE, HATE HATE hot weather and not wanting to step outside. Makes me want my move to Boise to come sooner.

try ignoring what the politicians say and keep your focus on the scientific research that is being pumped out. the picture becomes quite clear

[spurraider21]

Excellent discussion here. Someone who has been studying this for 35 years...

crowder

[spurraider21]

Increased sea ice is not a good thing.

the 80 billion antarctic gains are not to sea ice, it's land ice

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard...er-than-losses

[AaronY]

Didnt watch Chris's video of course but I like how it says "ACTUAL SCIENTIST" in all caps atop The screen. In other words "this guy agrees with me" basically so he's a real scientist as opposed to all phony guys from NASA for the last 25 years

[pgardn]

This is where it gets scary.
Throw out the science:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.a2bdeccc434f


Maybe some of these people were political hacks, however, they will definitely be replaced by hacks.
Donald needs some reassurance he is winning in his own mind, since this is all that matters.

[RandomGuy]

Remind me. Which ice is in question?

Sea ice or sheet ice?

Sea ice has no effect on sea level. Sheet ice is in approximate balance between growing and shrinking mass areas.

Let me correct that. Not balance, but at a steady rate of small decline trend for a few hundred years.

The Greenland Ice sheet as well as the rest of the worlds glaciers, and above-sea level ice. Not like clicking back a page is difficult...

[Wild Cobra]

The Greenland Ice sheet as well as the rest of the worlds glaciers, and above-sea level ice. Not like clicking back a page is difficult...

The focus keeps changing and I don't have the time to re-read everything.

[boutons_deux]

The focus keeps changing and I don't have the time to re-read everything.

[boutons_deux]

US Military & Security Leaders Call On Tillerson & Mattis To Lead On Climate Security

a bipartisan group of 20 retired senior military officers and national security experts have signed companion joint letters urging US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and Secretary of Defense James Mattis to lead on addressing the security implications of climate change.

https://cleantechnica.com/2017/05/09...eanTechnica%29

[FuzzyLumpkins]

the 80 billion antarctic gains are not to sea ice, it's land ice

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard...er-than-losses

I get that mechanic. That is just warmer moist air increasing the precipitation over the landmass.

At the same time those ice sheets migrate out into the ocean where they submerge, melt, chip off, and become part of the sea ice. That is the mechanic I am talking about. Sea ice doesn't make a difference in sea level if it forms from sub zero water but the ocean is warming and it circulates so that is not what is happening. It's not isolated thermally like the interior of the continent.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The focus keeps changing and I don't have the time to re-read everything.

Who knew climate could be so complicated?

[spurraider21]

I get that mechanic. That is just warmer moist air increasing the precipitation over the landmass.

At the same time those ice sheets migrate out into the ocean where they submerge, melt, chip off, and become part of the sea ice. That is the mechanic I am talking about. Sea ice doesn't make a difference in sea level if it forms from sub zero water but the ocean is warming and it circulates so that is not what is happening. It's not isolated thermally like the interior of the continent.

they attribute it to "extra snowfall that began 10,000 years ago" so i don't know how you come to the conclusion that it is "warmer" air increasing precipitation unless you suggest it has been warmer for 10,000 years

[FuzzyLumpkins]

they attribute it to "extra snowfall that began 10,000 years ago" so i don't know how you come to the conclusion that it is "warmer" air increasing precipitation unless you suggest it has been warmer for 10,000 years

Did I put a time frame on the warmer air? Glaciers becoming sea ice remains the issue I was talking about.

Like this: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-cl...0H625T20140911

And don't play the climate denier game. The rate of warming was increasing out of the last ice age but the rate has accelerated far beyond natural oscillation. BEST put that to bed years ago.

[Wild Cobra]

Who knew climate could be so complicated?

I mean what you idiots are focusing on in these threads.

There is a deception by the pundits as to how high the oceans will rise. The research does not support the conclusions of those amateur pundits.

[spurraider21]

Did I put a time frame on the warmer air? Glaciers becoming sea ice remains the issue I was talking about.

Like this: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-cl...0H625T20140911

And don't play the climate denier game. The rate of warming was increasing out of the last ice age but the rate has accelerated far beyond natural oscillation. BEST put that to bed years ago.

play the climate denier game? have you read any of my posts in this thread? paranoid

[boutons_deux]

The research does not support the conclusions of those amateur pundits.

You Lie.

[Wild Cobra]

You Lie.

Please, by all means, eference a paper instead of an activist pundit.

Find a paper, read it, and quote the relevant sections.

I challenge you to prove me wrong.