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My point to your client was that religious people use mysticism to justify a lot of things. Pseudoscience is a step up.
nah, you can keep whining about the goalposts but its been the same for a few days now
My point to your client was that religious people use mysticism to justify a lot of things. Pseudoscience is a step up.
Not disagreeing with that, just pointing out you can fit pretty much whatever you want under the mantra of 'this is what God would've wanted'.
Case in point.
Is Religion Pseudoscience?
A review of the Special Divine Action Conference in Oxford
Posted July 31, 2014
A pseudoscience is a set of beliefs or practices that pretends at being science—that puts forth evidence and arguments which it says are scientifically sound, but in fact are not. Pseudoscientists argue in support of new fundamental forces (e.g., Rupert Sheldrake’s morphic resonance) and even en ies (e.g., ancient aliens). The TV show Ghost Hunters is a prime example; they even have instruments—like voice recorders, EM meters, laser thermometers (and deluxe carrying cases)—which seem scientific, but of course do nothing to detect ghosts. But all pseudosciences have one thing in common: The arguments and reasoning they put forth violate basic rules of scientific reasoning....
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...-pseudoscience
RG's point was that conservatives use pseudoscience the justify policy, specifically. you tried to play the "both sides" game but have yet to demonstrate how "the left" uses religion (or any pseudoscience) to justify any particular policy(ies)
Of course, but the discussion is about pseudoscience and I contend that religion is rife with it. Since religion isn't exclusive to one political party, then there are prominent folks on both sides of the isle who have the stench of pseudoscience on their breaths.
So espousing belief in demons, angels and deities, magical afterlife destinations and edicts from the prime mover, that's all just what exactly?
"Yeah I believe in Santa too but I don't leave milk and cookies out!"
Sorry, was just commenting on that individual quote, I'm not following the rest of the argument here.
Please proceed.
Thanks left poster C..
I mean, I dunno what's going on but I can catch up and opine if you think it's worthwhile.Thanks left poster C..
No I'm taking the piss.
I see the argument now...
Here are a good examples of the left using pseudoscience:
- Anti-vaccine. This movement was now co-opted by the conspira s, but originally was pushed by the likes of Jenny McCarthy and some of the left-leaning Hollywood types.
- Anti-GMO. 100% pseudoscience. Had a political impact.
- Astrology and 'self-healing'... more pseudoscience.
there's an almost endless list of ty practices that qualify as a pseudoscience, ionic bracelets, magnet therapy, chiropractors.. all that . But I am talking specifically about a core fundamental belief system that drives morality based decisions. Probably half or more of those who claim the pseudoscience angle against global warming have a dog in the hunt and are financially bent.
I dunno about that. The simplest argument you can make about climate change is that, all things being equal, policies that try to help subside climate change are more desirable over those that make climate change worse. And this isn't a moral proposition, it's just a logical one.
The core counter-argument I hear against fighting climate change is also not moral, but strictly economic. It's the jobs and the fossil fuel industry, etc.
do you know what secularism is?
Of course. Wasn't it some slave owner who started that ?
more non sequitur
Stop acting like a and you might get a decent response. I knew what secularism was before you were born, or did you think it came along with the MP3?
then why do you act otherwise? you play dumb then get mad when you are treated as though you are dumb
on its own, the claim that "but the left believes in god" is a meaningless retort to RG's position, because it wouldn't matter if they acted in a secular manner (which "the left" tends to do, which as i said, is among the reasons i lean that way). for your whataboutism to even be valid, you'd have to demonstrate that they justify some policy positions (ideally to your argument, stupid policies) on those belief systems.
I didn't use that claim.
RG didn't mention religious reasons for climate change denial. He mentioned pseudoscience. Religious folk embrace pseudoscience. In fact, the left notoriously embraces pseudoscience, just a different type than the right embraces. You're the one who went looking for a "gotheem" moment without even understanding the point I was making. Par the course for you Philo. Pages later you still haven't a clue.
was your literal response
im bored at this point. i can tell you are too given your random non sequiturs like brining up secular slaveowners as some attempted dig
and all this just so you can have a proper whataboutism... which would still be a whataboutism given the subject of this thread
The goalpost was "name a specific 'left' policy that was driven by religion.
Your dumb ass was asked this repeatedly, and you failed to do so.
Pseudoscience is very often dressing up mysticism in fancy science-y words, i.e. Intelligent Design
It's not just a lexical problem, is that trying to dress up religion as science is simply not possible, due to science requiring testability.
Religious constructs like God or Christ do not define parameters that let them proceed to the empirical hypothesis state, making them simply not science.
That doesn't mean religion is worthless or useless, it can have some form of utilitarian value at a personal level for some people, and that's great.
However, the addition of religion to areas that affect a mul ude of people (ie: politics, war, etc) tends to have a horrible effect.
Creates division, fanaticism, the attempt to impose a given set of arbitrary moral rules... really a show.
a fundamental "use" of Religion is giving men the power to oppress women, to define them as inferior to men.
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