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Grab dem ankles NBA. It's bout to do down in Tinsletown.
Midgets hatred clouds his judgement. His opinions waver from game to game depending on if its good for the Lakers or not. Just search out his " Dan Gilbert" posts for proof. He is a weak person that admits he had to stay away for a week because he doesn't have the internal for ude to just ignore internet posts. How pathetic! And why is that? Because he is jealous, angry, and incapable of ignoring anything Laker related. He is the poster child for the OBSESSED. And nothing humors me more on this forum. It's beautiful and why he resoponds to every one of my posts and why I point out his ignorance on a constant basis.
Nash was old last year too. Led the league in FG% for PG and was 1 assist per game shy of Rondo's league lead. No Laker PG has sniffed the top 25 in either of those catagories in the last 15 years. Funny how FG% only matters when dissing Kobe no?
Ohhh and Fishers 3pt % is good for number 118 on the lifetime list. Nash comes in at numer 8. Perhaps in Midjets cloud thats a lateral move but is sure looks like quite a jump to those not so ignorant.
Carry on.
Grab dem ankles NBA. It's bout to do down in Tinsletown.
"I feel like most importantly I can help them a little bit with pick-and-rolls and facilitating, making decisions, making the game easier and taking some pressure off Kobe," Nash said. "I think he's had to take on so much that it will be nice for him to maybe get a few more easy baskets, to not have to expend so much energy and hopefully I can spread the floor a little bit with my shooting ability so that Andrew and Pau have a little more room to roam."
We get it B... the 40-Year-Old Point Guard is gonna take you to the promised land...
Does Nash put the Lakers in le contention? No trolling, serious question.
And you know it.We get it B... the 38-Year-Old Point Guard is gonna take you to the promised land...
Enjoy his 1st Laker interview while you're at it:
Clipps are irrelevant. Nash got more apg than CP last year playing with Gortat and Dudley.that .
If he remains healthy, yep. He literally makes everybody better. Unlike my main man Sessions, he won't the bed in the playoffs. He made Gortat shoot like 56% - imagine what he'll do for Bynum and Pau (I don't think D12 is coming to LA). Kobe respects him and will defer when necessary.
We do need more athletes on the perimeter though. No use on getting Nash if he doesn't have the horses to run with. I suspect the roster, as currently constructed, is not the one we'll see in November.
We'll see you guys in the Finals.
Tbh, Gorat's career number is 55.5%. Definitely makes the Lakers better simply with his shooting alone but Lakers now desperately need athletes on the wing. Durant, Harden and Westbrook will still be a tough match up.If he remains healthy, yep. He literally makes everybody better. Unlike my main man Sessions, he won't the bed in the playoffs. He made Gortat shoot like 56% - imagine what he'll do for Bynum and Pau (I don't think D12 is coming to LA). Kobe respects him and will defer when necessary.
We do need more athletes on the perimeter though. No use on getting Nash if he doesn't have the horses to run with. I suspect the roster, as currently constructed, is not the one we'll see in November.
We'll see you guys in the Finals.
Didn't know about Gortat's career numbers tbh. OKC's big 3 will be a problem regardless and especially if they don't update their perimeter defense. I believe they will. There will be a new starting SF too (I hope).
Tbh, Gortat barely got off the bench previously to Phoenix, so any stats from before, aren't really a big enough sample size, and since he got to Phoenix, he's never really played without Nash. This season is going to be a big indicator to his true potential.
When he's allowed to dominate the ball, which he won't be in LA thanks to a certain other TOSB...
Other than his rookie season, Gortat was shooting between 53.3 and 56.7% in Orlando. What he got with Nash was more shots though, but that is based on the pace of the game as well.If he remains healthy, yep. He literally makes everybody better. Unlike my main man Sessions, he won't the bed in the playoffs. He made Gortat shoot like 56% - imagine what he'll do for Bynum and Pau (I don't think D12 is coming to LA). Kobe respects him and will defer when necessary.
We do need more athletes on the perimeter though. No use on getting Nash if he doesn't have the horses to run with. I suspect the roster, as currently constructed, is not the one we'll see in November.
We'll see you guys in the Finals.
Fair unbiased take on what Nash will do for the Lakers:
Chimpy Hollinger details why he calls Nash the greatest pure shooter in NBA history. I know non-Laker fans won't read it but I'll post anyway:
LINKYou'll often hear casual basketball fans lament the lack of shooting in today's game, especially from the free throw line. But actually, we have the opposite problem: The current NBA is littered with great shooters. In fact, several of the best shooters of all time are currently on NBA rosters, and most of them are more or less in their prime.
Without leaving the top half of the Western Conference standings, for instance, I can point out names like Steve Nash, Dirk Nowitzki, Peja Stojakovic, Kevin Martin and Chauncey Billups, all of whom have put together multiple seasons that rank among the best shooting performances in history. That's to say nothing of the other great shooters in the league -- Ray Allen, Jason Kapono, free throw-record holder Jose Calderon, Ben Gordon, Kyle Korver … the list goes on and on.
But which one is the best of the best? Aye, there's the rub. We've never had a clear metric for ranking the game's best shooters … well, at least until today's ill-advised endeavor. That's right -- we're going to try ranking the best shooters in the game's history.
First, a caveat: By "history," we're limiting ourselves to the 3-point era. There were plenty of great shooters who played prior to that point, but we have no way to verify their cases statistically. In particular, it appears Calvin Murphy and Rick Barry -- two players from the 1970s who were renowned for their shooting range and rank among the top six free throw shooters of all time -- are slighted by today's methodology. Bill Sharman, Mike Newlin and Fred Brown also get my apologies.
OK, now for the method. My first step is to require players pass through a couple of fairly low "gates:" shooting 85 percent from the line with at least a 45 percent mark on 3s, or shooting 87.5 percent from the line with at least 42.5 percent made on 3s, or shooting 90 percent from the stripe with at least 40 percent made on 3s.
The point at this stage isn't to determine the best shooter of all time but to eliminate all the players we know darn well aren't the best shooter of all time. This does an efficient job, narrowing our list to 44 players.
From there, I set about creating a formula to rank the best shooters. I thought I'd have to dream up something very complex to adjust for all the variables involved, but it turned out a simple formula worked far better than any of my more exotic concoctions. I simply added a player's 2-point, 3-point and free throw percentages. We'll call this "Combined Shooting Rating," or CSR for short.
CSR works for a few reasons. First, the free throw is a pretty fair arbiter of shooting ability. It's the only true apples-to-apples measurement we have, because it's always 15 feet from the hoop and unguarded, regardless of what system the team runs or how the player is used. It's only one shot among many that need to be in a player's arsenal, but it's an important one.
Second, the yin and yang of 2-point and 3-point ability balance each other out. Some players are more effective midrange shooters than long-range marksmen, while others are more comfortable bombing away. And using this method makes the system more fair to players from the 1980s and early '90s, when teams didn't utilize the 3 as often or as effectively.
The one thing I left out was frequency. Obviously, players who pick their spots get higher-percentage looks than those who are the focal point of the offense on play after play. On the other hand, it's extremely difficult for players in the former group to shoot well enough from the line to crack the elite on this list, simply because of the lack of in-game repe ion. Several snipers with great numbers from the floor (Brent Barry, for instance, or Hubert Davis) couldn't get into the top 10 because of free throw percentage, and even the second-ranked player on our list (one of the all-time snipers) has the worst free throw percentage of anybody in the top 10.
Also, I did set two minimum standards: 10,000 career minutes and 250 made 3-pointers. I didn't want anybody getting onto the list with a lengthy career sparsely populated with 3-point attempts; that seemed counter to the point of the exercise. While arbitrary, 250 nicely separated the truly deadly long-range shooters from the guys who merely hit midrange J's and made their free throws.
So now that our rather simple CSR method is clear, let's get to our list of the top 10 shooters, which also apparently doubles as a great predictor of post-career broadcasting, coaching and front-office opportunities. According to CSR, they are:
Top All-Time Shooters By CSR
Player 2-Pt% 3-Pt% FT% CSR
Steve Nash .515 .431 .903 1.849
Steve Kerr .494 .454 .864 1.812
Reggie Miller .525 .395 .888 1.807
Mark Price .501 .402 .904 1.807
Jeff Hornacek .515 .403 .877 1.795
Chris Mullin .533 .384 .865 1.783
Peja Stojakovic .485 .400 .895 1.779
Larry Bird .509 .376 .886 1.770
Ray Allen .482 .396 .893 1.770
Dana Barros .488 .411 .858 1.757Min. 10,000 career minutes
That's right: Steve Nash. By a mile.
I've always written that his shooting is his most underappreciated skill, but even so, this blows me away.
It makes sense, though -- run through the numbers, and Nash crushes every possible compe or. And it becomes even more impressive when one considers nearly all his shots from the field have come off the dribble. Nash and the fourth-ranked player on this list, Mark Price, are the only two players in history to shoot better than 50 percent on 2s, 40 percent on 3s and 90 percent from the line for their careers. And as it happens, Nash's general manager in Phoenix, Steve Kerr, is second on the list.
One strong point of this list is that it acknowledges a few of the game's great midrange shooters. Neither Chris Mullin nor Jeff Hornacek shot the 3 with great frequency, for instance, but both were deadly accurate when they did, and they were exceptional from 2-point range.
Fans of "Larry Legend" undoubtedly will be disappointed to see him ninth on this list and to see one player of his own size -- Stojakovic -- rank just ahead of him. But Bird's greatest asset was his ability to make high-difficulty shots, which would need to be part of a different list entirely -- a list that would include different players. (Kobe Bryant, for one obvious example, is nowhere close on the above list but would have to rank high on any list of tough-shot makers.)
If you're wondering about Nowitzki, he is 13th, and easily the best among players 6-foot-10 or taller. Players 11 to 20 on this list are Barry, Hersey Hawkins, Nowitzki, Davis, Korver, Mo Williams, Danny Ainge, Allan Houston, Scott Skiles and Glen Rice.
Before I exit, some players who didn't make my list warrant mentioning.
The first is Drazen Petrovic, who just missed my minutes cut-off because of his untimely death in 1993. Petro's rating of 1.799 would have put him fifth on the list, a fact that becomes even more impressive when one considers he was only 28 when he died -- most players improve their numbers on the above criteria well into their 30s.
The second is Calderon, who needs only 779 more minutes to crack the list; his 1.805 career mark would place him fifth. Calderon also has only 238 made 3s on his career and needs to make 12 more of those. You might think his free throw percentage carries him into the top 10, but actually it's his amazing 2-point field goal percentage that does it. Calderon has shot 53.4 percent for his career on 2-point shots, the best mark of any of the 44 players in this study.
Finally, two young players on the Golden State Warriors have established a great chance of finishing their careers near the top of this list. Rookie Stephen Curry is at 1.770 thus far in his brief career, and should that number hold up, he'll finish his career in the top 10. Since players' shooting often improves dramatically in their second through fifth seasons, he could finish as one of the top-ranked players of all time.
Then again, he also might finish second among current Warriors. Curry's teammate, Anthony Morrow, has played two NBA seasons as a part-time starter, and posted career marks of 48.8 percent on 2s, 45.9 percent on 3s and 87.6 percent from the line. That's good for a CSR of 1.822, which is better than every other player in history except Nash.
Obviously we're dealing with smaller sample sizes with those two, and it's possible they'll regress in future seasons. But when we discuss the great all-time shooters, those two are worth tracking in future seasons to see if they warrant a spot in the conversation.
Nash will get the Laker bigs going early and often. This will result in him getting a TON of open looks and allow him and Kobe to close games. I can't wait for this season to start sons.
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Look, B... stop trying to pretend that Kobrick won't revert back to chuck mode like he always does... the 40-Year-Old Point Guard won't magically make Kobrick into an energetic young bag...
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Look, B... stop trying to pretend that Kobrick won't revert back to chuck mode like he always does... the 40-Year-Old Point Guard won't magically make Kobrick into an energetic young bag...
...and talking about a 5 time champion and franchise with 16 les.
The jealousy and obsession are prominent with this moron!
I'm guessing a Midget troll.
How can Kobrick hoop with people like you swinging from his nutsack, B?
Shut up bandwagon got
...and talking about a 5 time champion and franchise with 16 les.
The jealousy and obsession are prominent with this moron!
I'm guessing a Midget troll.
Looks like it will be Grant Hill...
Where did you see that?
Oh my! The obligatory 7th grade got reference. Impressive!!!!
On pins and needles waiting for your next brilliant response.
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