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Does anyone have the box score?
thats a good summary
Does anyone have the box score?
They have Jose "Pounding the ball is an art" Calderon.
They have Navarro and Gasol... they really have no "poor" ball handlers
Well, first off, Brazil wasn't packing the paint, and this wasn't the majority of the game, otherwise they'd have kept doing it and won the game. The US only settled for threes in the first quarter. There are a lot of things you can do instead of standing on the perimeter and shooting the ball. You can take a step closer to the basket and shoot the ball, which is a higher percentage shot than a three and still softens the defense. Defenses are happy to let you do that until you start making them. That outside-in strategy works on occasion, but it's not winning basketball. Ask any Spurs fan who's sat through the last six or seven years.
If they do, I'm sure you'll find it.
Navarro (team USA killer) isn't the same player he was in 08 and 10. He has and is currently battling injury. Pau Gasol throughout this summer has looked like a TOSB...if he keeps this going, I'm not to worried about him. Marc Gasol and Felipe alarm me. Garbajosa also looks pretty good as does that lull guy.
I think the only way to compete with Team USA is if a team runs the pick and roll religiously and effectively for a full 40. Also, team USA has to the bed (they almost did that tonight).
Brazil has the best chance for an upset because of how they play and the execution of their gameplan. It also helps that Huerta is a boss at being a pick and roll PG.
I don't think the US will come out flat like they did tonight.
Last edited by TE; 07-16-2012 at 09:33 PM.
Watch the game again and see how Brazil packed it in. If they didn't initially pack it in, they did so when the offensive player made movement. There were a lot of 1-1 sequences that fed into Brazil's gameplan. When a team USA player attempted a contested shot, there were at times 4 to 5 Brazilian players in position for easy defensive rebounding.
On the style of play you're referring to:
That style of play fizzles out when you rely on scrubs and above average players to produce when it matters. That's not necessarily so when you got bosses behind that three point line. They won't shoot this poorly again, trust me.
Last edited by TE; 07-16-2012 at 09:35 PM.
Why are you so sure I'd find it?
Can you just post it?
http://www.usabasketball.com/misc/12_mnt_exh_02_box.pdfWhy are you so sure I'd find it?
Can you just post it?
Spain is just much better than Brazil. Huertas went to the bench and that #5 point guard couldn't handle the full court press. Barbosa almost single-handedly sinks them in a 5 min stretch where he thought he was a star.
Lull, Felipe, Rudy, both Gasols, Garbajosa, Calderon, Navarro... there's no major scrubs there. Could be that Navarro is dinged up, and could also be that Melo will start hitting everything.
Team USA will simply need a much better effort than tonight against a team like Spain. You also have to add that refs will stop blowing the whistle on the road.
I don't have to go back and watch it again. If Brazil's defense is what got them the lead, then they would have stuck to it. The US team didn't suddenly start hitting threes in order to take over the game, they suddenly stopped shooting them.
Uh, there are no great three point threats on team USA. All of them are streaky shooters, and sheer probability tells you that one of them is going to get hot on a given night. That style of play ALWAYS fizzles out when you rely on it, which is why team USA stopped relying on it and took over the game.
Depends on whether or not they settle for threes from here on out. One would think they'd learned their lesson. If they keep trying to live on jumpers with no ball movement, I assure you they'll shoot this poorly again.
Team USA will definitely need to play better. Spain will need to dump it inside and run the pick and roll (which gets a lot of open three point attempts). Navarro and co will need to duplicate the otherworldly perimeter shooting performances in the 08 Gold medal game to win...I honestly can't see that happening again when it matters.
I actually thought the officiating favored Brazil tonight but that's me being slightly subjective
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tbh, Team USA had more points in the paint than Brazil tonight... you just can't let other teams drill you with 50% shooting... that's says a lot of your defense. USA played a great defensive second quarter, but that was about it. You can't coast like that, especially when you're on the road and when a single loss knocks you out.
Tbh, all these assertions are moot points at this juncture of the summer. We'll just have to wait and see how team USA responds when they face another formidable opponent attempting to execute a similar defensive gameplan.
If you expect Team USA to shoot 1/12 from three to start a game when it matters in Olympic pool play, more power to you.
I'm trying to look for a box score of the game but I can't find it. Can someone post the three point shooting percentage (along with the overall shooting percentage).
The #5 PG, Raul Neto, is only 20 years old. He already have a good role in a playoff team in the spanish league. Actually we have better material, but he is being prepared for Rio 2016.
Wow jus lookin at that box, USA looks bad! If it werent for the TOs & fouls USA coulda lost!
Nevermind, a poster just posted it. Let's take a look at it...
6/24 from three
That won't happen again. If coach K is every bit as rated as he is, he'll devise a gameplan to combat a defensive gameplan like Brazil's. That would mean potentially less three points attempts, I'll give you that...but no way do they shoot 25% again collectively.
That 2016 brazil team is gonna be a tough one.
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great game..! unfortunably Marquinhos did not play because he's injuried... he's our best SF, 2.07 nice ball-handler... he should guard LBJ this game.
yep. If this was an official game he would play at all. Huertas would play 35-38 minutes and Taylor would play the rest and a bit at the 2 behind barbosa and alex.
He committed 5 turnovers in 8 minutes, lol.
Agreed, though it's ridiculous to assert that it's a "formidable gameplan" that caused them to sit out on the perimeter and jack up three pointer after three pointer. I will tell you absolutely and without a doubt that a team that does that WILL shoot poorly again. It's a mathematical certainty. What will prevent team USA from shooting like that again is not to settle for them in the first place. I'm with you that the coach won't allow that. Coach K was likely hoping for a teaching moment, and he probably got it.
I thought Kobe hit two and Durant hit five of six. Whatever. Required one guy going absolutely torrid to keep them out of single digits. Terrible shooting, but terrible shooting comes from terrible shots more often than not.Nevermind, a poster just posted it. Let's take a look at it...
6/24 from three
That won't happen again. If coach K is every bit as rated as he is, he'll devise a gameplan to combat a defensive gameplan like Brazil's. That would mean potentially less three points attempts, I'll give you that...but no way do they shoot 25% again collectively.
You gotta also add to the equation that Magnano didn't use the Zone yet. and he's great at Zone D.
Brazil wont beat USA in the Olympics even tho the zone would make things more difficult but USA players gonna have to shoot well against Spain's zone.
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