"You didn't build that!"

[boutons_deux]

Romney To Olympians: ‘You Didn’t Get Here Solely On Your Own’

ROMNEY: You Olympians, however, know you didn’t get here solely on your own power. For most of you, loving parents, sisters or brothers, encouraged your hopes, coaches guided, communities built venues in order to organize compe ions. All Olympians stand on the shoulders of those who lifted them. We’ve already cheered the Olympians, let’s also cheer the parents, coaches, and communities.

http://thinkprogress.org/election/20...y-on-your-own/



Could his subtext be: "And you all depend on wonderful guys like me, Gecko, to organize the Games"

[DarrinS]

Romney To Olympians: ‘You Didn’t Get Here Solely On Your Own’

ROMNEY: You Olympians, however, know you didn’t get here solely on your own power. For most of you, loving parents, sisters or brothers, encouraged your hopes, coaches guided, communities built venues in order to organize compe ions. All Olympians stand on the shoulders of those who lifted them. We’ve already cheered the Olympians, let’s also cheer the parents, coaches, and communities.

http://thinkprogress.org/election/20...y-on-your-own/



Could his subtext be: "And you all depend on wonderful guys like me, Gecko, to organize the Games"

In the sense that our benevolent government and its civil servants are like loving parents, sisters, and brothers, this is a great comparison.

[George Gervin's Afro]

In the sense that our benevolent government and its civil servants are like loving parents, sisters, and brothers, this is a great comparison.

so now you're against taking things out of context.. 5 minutes ago you were for it.

[fraga]

[boutons_deux]

In the sense that our benevolent government and its civil servants are like loving parents, sisters, and brothers, this is a great comparison.

In that sense, you're nonsense

[vy65]

If the point is that business (whether big or small) is in a symbiotic relationship with government (local, state and federal) such that each needs and reinforces the other -- what's the big ing deal? Saying "you didn't build that" is probably a misstep and the message could definitely have been stated in a clearer, more succinct way, but who ing cares? Is it that hard to grasp an obvious concept?

lol MS
lol 1984

[boutons_deux]

"what's the big ing deal"

The deal is that the Repugs swear, vow "Govt Is The Problem", govt can never be a force for good, cannot create jobs, cannot provide economic stimulus/counter-cyclical sending, so Repugs swear that ONLY 100% unregulated private sector, free market IS THE SOLUTION.

[Yonivore]

If the point is that business (whether big or small) is in a symbiotic relationship with government (local, state and federal) such that each needs and reinforces the other -- what's the big ing deal? Saying "you didn't build that" is probably a misstep and the message could definitely have been stated in a clearer, more succinct way, but who ing cares? Is it that hard to grasp an obvious concept?

lol MS
lol 1984

As Mitt Romney is now pointing out (in response to the cry, "You did not build that," was taken out of context) the context is worse than the quote.

Obama's Virginia speech derives from a collectivist, socialist mentality that pervades the ranks of his surrogates and proxies.

Originality is not necessarily a virtue in politics. The problem is not the derivative nature of Obama’s rhetoric. The problem is the old-fashioned tyranny (“king-craft,” as Lincoln called it) and stale socialist claptrap that both Obama and Warren promote as the ultimate in sophistication.

[George Gervin's Afro]

As Mitt Romney is now pointing out (in response to the cry, "You did not build that," was taken out of context) the context is worse than the quote.

Obama's Virginia speech derives from a collectivist, socialist mentality that pervades the ranks of his surrogates and proxies.

what part of the quote yoni?

[vy65]

lol context

do you think that is a correct summary of what Obama said?

[Bill_Brasky]

yonivore is the biggest in partisan POS on this forum.

[George Gervin's Afro]

yonivore is the biggest in partisan POS on this forum.

you have no idea....


he's still waiting for all of the Iraqi do ents to be translated to find the wmds

he also wants bush jr on mt rushmore..

[boutons_deux]

Syria has the Iraqi WMD (says Yoni) and Syria threatens to use them on non-Syrian opposition.

[Yonivore]

what part of the quote yoni?

Which quote George?

Let's parse his speech.

"We’ve already made a trillion dollars’ worth of cuts. We can make some more cuts in programs that don’t work, and make government work more efficiently…We can make another trillion or trillion-two, and what we then do is ask for the wealthy to pay a little bit more …

Why doesn't the President demonstrate a willingness to cut spending by doing it instead of just talking about it? How does our debt go up by over $5 Trillion and our deficit by over a trillion, each year of his presidency when he claims to have already made a trillion dollars' worth of cuts?

There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me, because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t -look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something – there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.

Sounds like a derogatory slam on intelligent and hard-working entrepreneurs that managed to parlay their hard work and intelligence into a successful business. Hmmm...must be something other than just intelligence and hard work at work there. It's not government and it's not the rest of society because, if it were, everyone with an idea that is intelligent and willing to work hard would be successful; government and the rest of us would make sure of it.

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business. you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.

Everyone who indirectly contributes to the success of a business does so with selfish motive. No one (aside from possibly close friends and family) works for your success without the promise of a return on that investment; Investors want dividends, employees want a fair wage and benefits, and customers want a value for their dollar. If your business doesn't meet their expectations, they go elsewhere and you fail. And, as for government's role? The government infrastructure and services are just as available to failed businesses as they are to successful ones so, that's a wash.

If anything, government and the regulatory climate it fosters are impediments to business success.

The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

Actually, it's funny he led with the internet...Al Gore might have something to say about that! Just kidding.

But, seriously.

Gordon Crovitz: Who Really Invented the Internet?

Contrary to legend [and President Obama], it wasn't the federal government, and the Internet had nothing to do with maintaining communications during a war.

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.

With people we are compensating for helping with that success.

There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

Actually, some large companies do have their own fire service because the entrepreneur that started it doesn't trust government to protect his investment.

And, government is pretty fickle with fire protection. Many communities are required to form volunteer organizations to fight fires while others charge a fee and, if unpaid, ignore your engulfed home while keeping your neighbors homes from getting involved.

So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. That’s how we funded the GI Bill.

That’s how we created the middle class.

I don't even understand his reference here...

That’s how we built the Golden Gate Bridge

The Golden Gate Bridge construction project was carried out by the McClintic-Marshall Construction Co., a subsidiary of Bethlehem Steel Corporation founded by Howard H. McClintic and Charles D. Marshall.

or the Hoover Dam.

Six Companies, Inc. was a joint venture of construction companies that was formed to build the Hoover Dam across the Colorado River in Nevada and Arizona.

That’s how we invented the Internet.

See above.

That’s how we sent a man to the moon.

How many individual businesses are involved in making the space program even possible.

We went to the Moon because private businesses were paid handsomely to make it happen. Private businesses all started by an intelligent and hard-working entrepreneur.

We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that’s the reason I’m running for president – because I still believe in that idea. You’re not on your own, we’re in this together.”

Without successful entrepreneurs building, selling, and servicing the things we all take for granted, none of the great accomplishments of government would have been possible.

So, did I get the context covered, George?

[George Gervin's Afro]

Which quote George?

Let's parse his speech.


Why doesn't the President demonstrate a willingness to cut spending by doing it instead of just talking about it? How does our debt go up by over $5 Trillion and our deficit by over a trillion, each year of his presidency when he claims to have already made a trillion dollars' worth of cuts?


Sounds like a derogatory slam on intelligent and hard-working entrepreneurs that managed to parlay their hard work and intelligence into a successful business. Hmmm...must be something other than just intelligence and hard work at work there. It's not government and it's not the rest of society because, if it were, everyone with an idea that is intelligent and willing to work hard would be successful; government and the rest of us would make sure of it.


Everyone who indirectly contributes to the success of a business does so with selfish motive. No one (aside from possibly close friends and family) works for your success without the promise of a return on that investment; Investors want dividends, employees want a fair wage and benefits, and customers want a value for their dollar. If your business doesn't meet their expectations, they go elsewhere and you fail. And, as for government's role? The government infrastructure and services are just as available to failed businesses as they are to successful ones so, that's a wash.

If anything, government and the regulatory climate it fosters are impediments to business success.


Actually, it's funny he led with the internet...Al Gore might have something to say about that! Just kidding.

But, seriously.

Gordon Crovitz: Who Really Invented the Internet?




With people we are compensating for helping with that success.


Actually, some large companies do have their own fire service because the entrepreneur that started it doesn't trust government to protect his investment.

And, government is pretty fickle with fire protection. Many communities are required to form volunteer organizations to fight fires while others charge a fee and, if unpaid, ignore your engulfed home while keeping your neighbors homes from getting involved.




I don't even understand his reference here...


The Golden Gate Bridge construction project was carried out by the McClintic-Marshall Construction Co., a subsidiary of Bethlehem Steel Corporation founded by Howard H. McClintic and Charles D. Marshall.


Six Companies, Inc. was a joint venture of construction companies that was formed to build the Hoover Dam across the Colorado River in Nevada and Arizona.


See above.


How many individual businesses are involved in making the space program even possible.

We went to the Moon because private businesses were paid handsomely to make it happen. Private businesses all started by an intelligent and hard-working entrepreneur.


Without successful entrepreneurs building, selling, and servicing the things we all take for granted, none of the great accomplishments of government would have been possible.

So, did I get the context covered, George?

I stopped at parse...

[Yonivore]

I stopped at parse...

Okay.

[George Gervin's Afro]

"There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me -- because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t -- look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.

"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

"The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

"So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. That’s how we funded the G.I. Bill. That’s how we created the middle class. That’s how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That’s how we invented the Internet. That’s how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that’s the reason I’m running for President -- because I still believe in that idea. You’re not on your own, we’re in this together."

your side has taken that one sentence out of his speech and have run with it..either you are stupid or dishonest to make the charge that he was referring to building one's business..as opposed to roads and bridges..


have you built a road or a bridge? if your business relies on transporting goods, wouldn't you owe the govt a little credit for that?

[boutons_deux]

"Why doesn't the President demonstrate a willingness to cut spending by doing it instead of just talking about it? How does our debt go up by over $5 Trillion and our deficit by over a trillion, each year of his presidency when he claims to have already made a trillion dollars' worth of cuts?"

What's your evidence of his non "willingess"?

Where's your evidence that US govt spending since Jan 2009 is above your adored dubya's spending, and put his 2 botched/bogus wars on the books along with decades of veteran care, for his 8 years?

Barry, as is govt at all levels, is faced with reduced tax revenues due to REPUG tax cutting and the Banksters Great Depression.

[Yonivore]

your side has taken that one sentence out of his speech and have run with it..either you are stupid or dishonest to make the charge that he was referring to building one's business..as opposed to roads and bridges..

Actually, the more egregious statement is where he discounts the intelligence and hard work of successful business people.

have you built a road or a bridge?

Well, there are private construction companies that take government contracts to provide that infrastructure but, no, I don't own such a business and I haven't ever built a road or bridge.

...if your business relies on transporting goods, wouldn't you owe the govt a little credit for that?

They call them taxes...and, it's not credit, they pretty much demand they be paid by many of us.

And, since you bring it up. When can we expect the non-business owning 51%, or so, of the population that doesn't pay any income taxes and, yet, still uses the roads and highways the rest of us pay for?

Why don't they pay and, more importantly, why haven't the government roads and bridges made them successful? Well, the smart and hard-working ones, anyway.

[jack sommerset]

I stopped at parse...

Of course you did. You like the "keep asking questions" part of your contribution to this forum, it's the listen to the answers you have a problem with. It's obvious to many you are completely disingenuous when you do ask anyone you disagree with a question. And for their reward, a silly childish answer follows to the person that takes their time to actually pay you any attention. I'm sure you will do the usual, throw up your guards and ignore the issue. I will continue to pray for you. God bless

[George Gervin's Afro]

Of course you did. You like the "keep asking questions" part of your contribution to this forum, it's the listen to the answers you have a problem with. It's obvious to many you are completely disingenuous when you do ask anyone you disagree with a question. And for their reward, a silly childish answer follows to the person that takes their time to actually pay you any attention. I'm sure you will do the usual, throw up your guards and ignore the issue. I will continue to pray for you. God bless

I have a problem wirth hypocrites and people who make stuff up out of thin air..

keep your fake prayers to yourself.

[Yonivore]

I have a problem wirth hypocrites and people who make stuff up out of thin air..

keep your fake prayers to yourself.

What'd I make up?

[boutons_deux]

Here's a Murdoch politicized, lying rag revising history to say govt "didn't build that" Internet

WSJ mangles history to argue government didn't launch the Internet

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2...-the-internet/

[TeyshaBlue]

What'd I make up?

He's talking to jack.

[ElNono]

Yeah, that WSJ article was pretty bad, especially for anybody that was involved in the tech back in those days pre-internet...

Then again, it was an op-ed...