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    And I'll bet he made more in a year than anyone complaining. That is the point of the progressive taxing system. I need to be very clear about something, unlike some I do not hate the rich, nor do I want to take away all of their money. I believe in capitalism, and have taken full advantage of the system myself. I don't like the "fair share" rhetoric that Democrats use. I do believe, however, that the wealthy should pay more in taxes, simply because they have aggregated more of the wealth. I believe certain government services are essential, and they must be funded with tax money. If the top earners are going to take more of the money for themselves, as they have done for the past 30 years, then they have to pay more in taxes. It is not a fairness issue to me, its simple math.

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    And I'll bet he made more in a year than anyone complaining. That is the point of the progressive taxing system. I need to be very clear about something, unlike some I do not hate the rich, nor do I want to take away all of their money. I believe in capitalism, and have taken full advantage of the system myself. I don't like the "fair share" rhetoric that Democrats use. I do believe, however, that the wealthy should pay more in taxes, simply because they have aggregated more of the wealth. I believe certain government services are essential, and they must be funded with tax money. If the top earners are going to take more of the money for themselves, as they have done for the past 30 years, then they have to pay more in taxes. It is not a fairness issue to me, its simple math.
    Brother, not to mention all the tax money he created because of his business adventures. The guy is a tax stud. We all should applaud him for his money contribution. Without question Romney is a great American. So brother, sleep well at night, Romney more than pays his fair share. God bless

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    Obama has to resort to these tactics because he can't run on his track record as president the past 4 years. Boiled down this is pretty much it.
    Well, when you get two candidates who are exactly the same, this is what happens, tbh.... not like Willard would ever dream of running on his record either....

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    Well, when you get two candidates who are exactly the same, this is what happens, tbh.... not like Willard would ever dream of running on his record either....
    The Olympics? Took a government bureaucracy (not unlike a smaller version of the U. S. Government) and went from a $400 million dollar deficit to a $100 million dollar surplus and made the Games into what is, by most accounts, a huge success.

    Bain Capital? Hundreds of thousands of jobs created by Bain's capital investments, demonstrating his economic and financial a en. I think I'd play up the fact Bain Capital, under Romney, saved the company where Barack and Mic e shared their first kiss, Baskin Robbins.

    , he could even use Romneycare (a compromise with an extremely liberal Massachusetts legislature) as the poster child for what not to do and get Obamacare repealed. His stint as Massachusetts Governor required him to work with Democrats every day of his administration -- something he (and his VP candidate) seem willing and able to do. Obama hasn't called a few key Republicans (leading me to believe he hasn't called any) in Congress, in an effort to compromise, in about a year.

    I particularly like the attack that Massachusetts was 47th in the nation, on jobs creation, when Romney left office. You don't hear much about it anymore but, I can't decide if that's because the Obama campaign is holding it back for later or if it's because they realize it's a statistic over which Romney can boast. When you're the Governor of a State with <5% unemployment (the rate at which full employment is considered to be achieved) it's hard to advance in rank as a job creator. Over the four years of the Romney administration, Massachusetts went from 51st to 30th in job creation -- resulting in full employment. One could suggest that had there been room, he could have gone from 51st to 1st; but, Massachusetts wasn't yet suffering the economic calamity Obama would eventually visit on the nation.

    Yeah, if I were Romney, I wouldn't have any problem running on that record. It's why Obama is doing puff piece interviews and has sent Slow Joe home -- only to let him roam around friendly territory, from now on.

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    Well, when you get two candidates who are exactly the same, this is what happens, tbh.... not like Willard would ever dream of running on his record either....
    You Lie

    they aren't exactly the same.

    Since Gecko recruited sociopath sicko Rand-licker Ryan, the differences are enormous.

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    The Olympics? Took a government bureaucracy (not unlike a smaller version of the U. S. Government) and went from a $400 million dollar deficit to a $100 million dollar surplus and made the Games into what is, by most accounts, a huge success.
    That's pretty easy to do when the federal government gives you $1.3 billion.

    Without question, we simply could not host Games in Salt Lake if it were not for the enormous spending and services of the Federal government.
    http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CHRG-10...7shrg78538.htm

    IOW, he didn't build that.

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    That's pretty easy to do when the federal government gives you $1.3 billion.

    IOW, he didn't build that.
    The Olympics are a government enterprise.

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    The Olympics are a government enterprise.
    "The $1.5 billion in taxpayer dollars that Congress is pouring into Utah is 1.5 times the amount spent by lawmakers to support all seven Olympic Games held in the U.S. since 1904—combined," Donald Barlett and James Steele reported for Sports Illustrated in 2001. Those numbers were adjusted for inflation.

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...ederal-funding

    So Romney oversaw the greatest expansion of federal spending on this government enterprise in US history. That's a great precedent to cite, yoni.

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    "The $1.5 billion in taxpayer dollars that Congress is pouring into Utah is 1.5 times the amount spent by lawmakers to support all seven Olympic Games held in the U.S. since 1904—combined," Donald Barlett and James Steele reported for Sports Illustrated in 2001. Those numbers were adjusted for inflation.

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...ederal-funding

    So Romney oversaw the greatest expansion of federal spending on this government enterprise in US history. That's a great precedent to cite, yoni.
    He's persuasive and he's committed to the task. Your issue is with government, not Romney.

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    yoni shoots himself in his

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    Gecko destroyed all his Olympics and/or had them secreted and hire a Bain guy to keep them secreted.

    Gecko is one sicko with huge problem with secreting his financial and public life.

    He did the same removal, destruction, secreting with his records as MA governor.

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    He's persuasive and he's committed to the task. Your issue is with government, not Romney.


    Don't tell me what my issue is with, you twit. Just because you got your ass handed to you when you tried to pimp Mittens' Olympics, that doesn't mean you can try to Jedi mind trick your way out of it. Romney is as big government as Obama -- and Ryan is too. They just tend to favor the very rich people that you are not and never will be slightly more than Obama does.

    As long as your government makes its priorities killing nonwhites and keeping the horrors of ghey marriage at bay, you'll wave your flag and eat the of the rich people who won't give a second thought about you.

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    Don't tell me what my issue is with, you twit. Just because you got your ass handed to you when you tried to pimp Mittens' Olympics, that doesn't mean you can try to Jedi mind trick your way out of it. Romney is as big government as Obama -- and Ryan is too. They just tend to favor the very rich people that you are not and never will be slightly more than Obama does.

    As long as your government makes its priorities killing nonwhites and keeping the horrors of ghey marriage at bay, you'll wave your flag and eat the of the rich people who won't give a second thought about you.
    - $400 million to + $100 million. Fact.

    Romney was in charge of the Olympics, not the government. He did what they asked him to do; saved the Olympic Games and made them profitable.

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    - $400 million to + $100 million. Fact.

    Romney was in charge of the Olympics, not the government. He did what they asked him to do; saved the Olympic Games and made them profitable.
    By begging for a $1.5 billion bailout. Fact.

    He transformed an insanely bloated budget into an obscenely bloated budget only with the direct and continued intervention on the federal government. Fact.

    If his plan is to control spending by getting the federal government to bail out the federal government, you might have a point.

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    US govt bailed out NoWhereMan Gecko in his NowWhereLand Olympics.

    Gecko grovelled in gra ude afterwards (he also was operationally running Bain and criminally lying to SEC)

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    By begging for a $1.5 billion bailout. Fact.
    I doubt he begged.

    He transformed an insanely bloated budget into an obscenely bloated budget only with the direct and continued intervention on the federal government. Fact.

    If his plan is to control spending by getting the federal government to bail out the federal government, you might have a point.
    By applying his model, he'll get it back from the international community (you do realize, he'll be running the federal government then); probably by reducing some of the asinine foreign aid and balancing trade. And, by freeing business to create jobs and wealth.

    Romney/Ryan 2012. You betcha!

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    Ah, because dropping taxes for the rich has created so many jobs these last 30 years.

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    Ah, because dropping taxes for the rich has created so many jobs these last 30 years.
    China and India are thriving!

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    China and India are thriving!
    Vietnam too. Why do conservatives love the commies so much?

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    Is there a "good" or "bad" answer? If that's what he had to pay, then that's what he had to pay. It's not like he picked the tax rates.
    It speaks to the tax code and an examination of how Romney as president wants to deal with taxes. If he thinks it is a fair system where millionaires pay 13% then it sure is a bad answer.

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    If you think that capital gains should be taxed just like ordinary income then ask yourself this...

    Lets say you buy a house for $150,000 with a 30 year mortgage. 20 years later you have paid say $250,000 with payments and interest. Lets say your house has appreciated (because of inflation) in that 20 years and you sell it for $250,000.. The government says you just made $100,000 and wants half of it for taxes.

    Does that sound fair to you?

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    If you think that capital gains should be taxed just like ordinary income then ask yourself this...

    Lets say you buy a house for $150,000 with a 30 year mortgage. 20 years later you have paid say $250,000 with payments and interest. Lets say your house has appreciated (because of inflation) in that 20 years and you sell it for $250,000.. The government says you just made $100,000 and wants half of it for taxes.

    Does that sound fair to you?
    They already have an exemption that allows you to pay 0% capital gains on the profit of the sale of a primary residence up to 250,000. No one is suggesting getting rid of that loophole. Actually maybe Paul Ryan is. He has still yet to detail what tax expenditures he is going to eliminate to pay for his $4.6T in additional tax cuts

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    They already have an exemption that allows you to pay 0% capital gains on the profit of the sale of a primary residence up to 250,000. No one is suggesting getting rid of that loophole. Actually maybe Paul Ryan is. He has still yet to detail what tax expenditures he is going to eliminate to pay for his $4.6T in additional tax cuts
    Thats part of the capital gains tax rules that you want to eliminate.

    Or do you just want to eliminate the rules that apply to other people so they pay more?

    In the example, replace "house" with any other investment that appreciated over time because of inflation.

    Is it fair to tax the difference between the purchase price and the sale price (not inflation adjusted) at a 40-50% rate?

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    If you think that capital gains should be taxed just like ordinary income then ask yourself this...

    Lets say you buy a house for $150,000 with a 30 year mortgage. 20 years later you have paid say $250,000 with payments and interest. Lets say your house has appreciated (because of inflation) in that 20 years and you sell it for $250,000.. The government says you just made $100,000 and wants half of it for taxes.

    Does that sound fair to you?
    So add in a home sales exemption or find another way to treat it differently from gains on Wall Street investments.

    People who make their living off of the stock market should have that income taxed as much as (if not more than) the guy who works for a living and actually produces something tangible.

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    So add in a home sales exemption or find another way to treat it differently from gains on Wall Street investments.

    People who make their living off of the stock market should have that income taxed as much as (if not more than) the guy who works for a living and actually produces something tangible.
    They had to make the money somewhere (that they paid ordinary income tax rates on) to have the savings to invest in the stock market.

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