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    Boy, you got that right.
    he's talking to you

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    Actually, he's most well know for being a serious Congressman on budget issues. He's impressed Republicans and Democrats, alike and, he's worked for solutions, across the aisle.

    He's not most well known for his budget. Until he was selected for Vice President, he was most well know for taking Obama to school on the fiscal mess created by Obamacare.

    Want to see the video again?
    And then he created his OWN budget, important parts of which he's running against. Is he going to smackdown himself?

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    Well LnGrrrR...

    You act as if that is the only importance Ryan brings. What about his views on Education, Agriculture, Veterans and the military, Immigration, Energy, Jobs and the Economy, Environment, War on Terror, Homeland Security, Taxes?

    Again...

    Are you one of the M$M's lemmings?

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    ^ Ryan himself already admitted that's not his platform...

    His ideas are now to be found here: http://mittromney.com

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    Actually, he's most well know for being a serious Congressman on budget issues.
    "Serious" is pretty much the last word that comes to mind when I think of Ryan's budget "plan," tbh..... any plan that makes no significant spending cuts, funnels MORE money to our out-of-control foreign policy, and doesn't balance the budget in a reasonable timeframe is a non-starter, tbh...

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    His ideas are now to be found here: http://mittromney.com
    Come on now, you know better than that, B... NO ideas are to be found at that website, only vague neocon pla udes...

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    And then he created his OWN budget, important parts of which he's running against. Is he going to smackdown himself?
    Why would he? Do you think the Obama campaign won't?

    If he's running against them it's because they agree with Obama ideas with which his boss finds issue. Or, if he's not bringing them up it's because they're not an idea the campaign is pitching. He hasn't made a secret of his budget plan or his and Ron Wyden's plan to bring fiscal sanity to the federal government. I think he's probably proud of both.

    I don't understand the suggestion a candidate should self-flaggellate simply because he held views with which his new boss doesn't agree or won't carry forward into his policy objectives. I've disagreed with my bosses on a number of issues and, at the end of the day, if I'm unable to persuade them to my way of thinking, I take direction and champion the boss's plan. If someone points out that my actions don't agree with my previous statements, I simply say, I'm not the boss -- which, by the way, is pretty much what Ryan has said when the issue has been brought up. They aren't running on the Ryan plan, they're running on the Romney plan.

    When has Obama done the same over any of his promises? Never. His only regret is that he hasn't communicated his greatness well enough for the American people to fall at his feet and buy into every amamie idea he proposes.

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    I'll fact check that Ryan speech

    If it is worth anything to you, I agree that wassermann-schultz is just as dirty and I have no qualifiers either. Anderson Cooper had her on the other night to call her out about some things that she put into that letter to democratic donors and how they were out and out lies. She looked like Yoni trying to defend them, it was ridiculous.

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    He hasn't made a secret of his budget plan or his and Ron Wyden's plan to bring fiscal sanity to the federal government.
    Soooo, when's he coming out with the actual "fiscal sanity" plan? So far, he's failed to do so, tbh....

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    "Serious" is pretty much the last word that comes to mind when I think of Ryan's budget "plan," tbh..... any plan that makes no significant spending cuts, funnels MORE money to our out-of-control foreign policy, and doesn't balance the budget in a reasonable timeframe is a non-starter, tbh...
    I tell you what's a non-starter...no budget for the past three years.

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    Well LnGrrrR...

    You act as if that is the only importance Ryan brings. What about his views on Education, Agriculture, Veterans and the military, Immigration, Energy, Jobs and the Economy, Environment, War on Terror, Homeland Security, Taxes?

    Again...

    Are you one of the M$M's lemmings?
    Oh, be quiet with that. When Obama ran, did any Republican care about his views?

    Of course not. It was all about how he had never held a "real" job, and had no experience. But what "real" job did Ryan hold? *shrug* I guess since he's a veep and not running for pres, it doesn't matter.

    He's been in Congress since 1998 (14 years and counting), he's sponsored 71 bills, and ultimately 2 of them were voted into law. (Renaming a post office, and lowering an excise tax on arrow shafts, real controversial stuff).

    He wants to reduce deficit supposedly, but he voted for the wars, voted for TARP, voted for Medicare Part D, and voted for the auto industry bailout. How exactly are we supposed to reduce the deficit paying for all this stuff again?

    Oh, and the CBo analyzed the plan, and it wouldn't even begin to balance the budget until 2040. Real serious plan there.

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    I tell you what's a non-starter...no budget for the past three years.
    Too bad that the ONE Republican with an actual budget plan was marginalized and screwed over during the entire nomination process, tbh...

    http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issue...store-america/

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    If it is worth anything to you, I agree that wassermann-schultz is just as dirty and I have no qualifiers either. Anderson Cooper had her on the other night to call her out about some things that she put into that letter to democratic donors and how they were out and out lies. She looked like Yoni trying to defend them, it was ridiculous.

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    If it is worth anything to you, I agree that wassermann-schultz is just as dirty and I have no qualifiers either. Anderson Cooper had her on the other night to call her out about some things that she put into that letter to democratic donors and how they were out and out lies. She looked like Yoni trying to defend them, it was ridiculous.
    She should be in jail. But, are you saying she's just as dirty as Ryan or just as dirty as Reince Priebus?

    Because you're going to have to back that up with example of when either Ryan or Priebus have suggested Obama was responsible for the death of a woman or that he was a felon. Both of which Wasserman-Schultz has done when talking about Mitt Romney.

    She's a dirt bag.

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    I knew I shouldn't have added that last line, you ignored the rest of the post.

    What I meant is, saying the media objected, indicates the media has a side. I have no objection to the media being critical of something a campaign puts out but, instead of parroting the opposing point of view, I'd prefer they force the campaign to explain theirs.

    For instance, if the media, in this case, would ask the Republicans to explain how the Sebelius directive is gutting the Welfare work requirement instead of just saying nuh uh, fact checkers say your wrong, you might get a better response than, "we're not going to be lead around by fact checkers."

    That's all I meant and it was a last minute addition to the post, after I saw the word object in the article. Sheesh!
    Sheesh indeed.

    You wouldn't be happy unless "the media" simply became Fox clones endlesslly parroting Replublican talking points, anything else is a liberal plot. You know it, I know it, and anybody with any intelligence knows that is exactly the aim of conservatives in creating the bie lie of a "liberal media", and that their ideas don't get a fair shake.

    I do not buy for a nanosecond that people like you are concerned with fairness or getting things explained correctly, with enough context to get at a reasonable truth. Please stop crying the crocodile tears.

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    Oh, be quiet with that. When Obama ran, did any Republican care about his views?

    Of course not. It was all about how he had never held a "real" job, and had no experience. But what "real" job did Ryan hold? *shrug* I guess since he's a veep and not running for pres, it doesn't matter.

    He's been in Congress since 1998 (14 years and counting), he's sponsored 71 bills, and ultimately 2 of them were voted into law. (Renaming a post office, and lowering an excise tax on arrow shafts, real controversial stuff).

    He wants to reduce deficit supposedly, but he voted for the wars, voted for TARP, voted for Medicare Part D, and voted for the auto industry bailout. How exactly are we supposed to reduce the deficit paying for all this stuff again?

    Oh, and the CBo analyzed the plan, and it wouldn't even begin to balance the budget until 2040. Real serious plan there.
    Don't forget the tax cuts he voted for and the additional ones he proposed. He's a real serious fiscal hawk.

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    Not from where I stand.

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    Because you're going to have to back that up with example of when either Ryan or Priebus have suggested Obama was responsible for the death of a woman or that he was a felon.
    No, but at the RNC, Reince Priebus did just help disenfranchise an entire state, change the plurality rules at the last second right as Ron Paul became eligible, change rules for 2016 to squash any grassroots dissent in the Republican Party, and prevent Ron Paul from having the time to speak he was legally en led to.... that's some pretty bad , tbh.....

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    I tell you what's a non-starter...no budget for the past three years.
    Yeah, the dip s in the tea party making it impossible to do anything sensible had nothing to do with that, and it was all the fault of the Democrat president.



    Or are you going to criticize people who won't raise taxes under any cir stances?

    That *would* be shocking.

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    Yoni backing up my point

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    If he's running against them it's because they agree with Obama ideas with which his boss finds issue. Or, if he's not bringing them up it's because they're not an idea the campaign is pitching. He hasn't made a secret of his budget plan or his and Ron Wyden's plan to bring fiscal sanity to the federal government. I think he's probably proud of both.
    So he's proud of his plan, but he's still going to bash Obama over something he agrees with. Or maybe he doesn't anymore. Who knows?

    And it seems silly for Romney to pick a veep whose most well known for his budget, only to have his "big accomplishment" be marginalized in such a way.

    I don't understand the suggestion a candidate should self-flaggellate simply because he held views with which his new boss doesn't agree or won't carry forward into his policy objectives. I've disagreed with my bosses on a number of issues and, at the end of the day, if I'm unable to persuade them to my way of thinking, I take direction and champion the boss's plan. If someone points out that my actions don't agree with my previous statements, I simply say, I'm not the boss -- which, by the way, is pretty much what Ryan has said when the issue has been brought up. They aren't running on the Ryan plan, they're running on the Romney plan.
    Fair enough, but then it's only fair to point out that Ryan agreed with Obama just a year ago. It undercuts his message greatly. Also, it undermines Romney picking him. If Romney picked him for his budget/fiscal expertise, why isn't he using his plan?

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    Or are you going to criticize people who won't raise taxes under any cir stances?

    That *would* be shocking.
    To be fair, at this point, raising taxes only serves to embolden our corrupt government to waste more money on inefficient social programs and undeclared wars that we can't afford, tbh.....

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    If it is worth anything to you, I agree that wassermann-schultz is just as dirty and I have no qualifiers either. Anderson Cooper had her on the other night to call her out about some things that she put into that letter to democratic donors and how they were out and out lies. She looked like Yoni trying to defend them, it was ridiculous.
    But, but, but CNN is a liberal media outlet, it is therefore patently ridiculous that you would suggest they would go after a Democrat.


    That just doesn't happen in the "liberal media".


    Isn't that right, Yoni?

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    i had some nice salmon for lunch.

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    Sheesh indeed.

    You wouldn't be happy unless "the media" simply became Fox clones endlesslly parroting Replublican talking points, anything else is a liberal plot. You know it, I know it, and anybody with any intelligence knows that is exactly the aim of conservatives in creating the bie lie of a "liberal media", and that their ideas don't get a fair shake.

    I do not buy for a nanosecond that people like you are concerned with fairness or getting things explained correctly, with enough context to get at a reasonable truth. Please stop crying the crocodile tears.
    Why do you keep talking past the issue?

    Did or did not Kathleen Sebelius make a point of saying that since the government could waive reporting requirements in Section 402, that meant they had the authority to allow States to employ alternatives to the work requirements in Section 407.

    It's a simple question. That's the statement on which Conservatives base their claim Obama is gutting the Welfare work requirements. That's the statement no one in here is willing to tackle. You just keep barking about partisan media bull .

    I took a quote from the Sebelius directive to which I linked.

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