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    just the right amount of seasoning with capers and lemon.

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    He's been in Congress since 1998 (14 years and counting), he's sponsored 71 bills, and ultimately 2 of them were voted into law. (Renaming a post office, and lowering an excise tax on arrow shafts, real controversial stuff).
    Screw you, hippie, that was important!


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    "Conservatives base their claim Obama is gutting the Welfare work requirements."

    IT'S A LIE

    MA Governor Gecko and several other Repug governors asked dubya for EXACTLY the same flexibility at state level for trying new ways to get people into the workforce. EX ING ACTLY

    Nothing gutted by Obama OR by dubya, just giving STATEs the RIGHT to handle their unemployed legions back into the workforce.

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    Screw you, hippie, that was important!

    I am at work, so I got a red X where that picture should be... I am going to take a wild flying guess and say that it is a picture of ted nugent.

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    But, but, but CNN is a liberal media outlet, it is therefore patently ridiculous that you would suggest they would go after a Democrat.

    That just doesn't happen in the "liberal media".

    Isn't that right, Yoni?
    Not very often.

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    To be fair, at this point, raising taxes only serves to embolden our corrupt government to waste more money on inefficient social programs and undeclared wars that we can't afford, tbh.....
    No it doesn't, and that isn't fair. Not by a long shot.

    That is simply more mindlessly regurgitated cynicism masquerading as "fact".

    If you want to go a few rounds on what cons utes "wasting money on inefficient social programs" I don't mind, but if you can't, or won't, bother supporting that with anythign other than hand-waving let me know now, so I can figure out if you are just going to mindlessly spout talking points, or really care about what actual data shows.

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    I am at work, so I got a red X where that picture should be... I am going to take a wild flying guess and say that it is a picture of ted nugent.
    Word!

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    I am at work, so I got a red X where that picture should be... I am going to take a wild flying guess and say that it is a picture of ted nugent.


    had to be done.

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    IMHO CNN is easily the most balanced coverage around, just throwing that out there. Everyone is full of after ratings for money but I go to CNN first for my news. Of course growing up wanting to be a journalist and idolizing the network and the "CNN effect" makes me pretty biased

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    just the right amount of seasoning with capers and lemon.
    I had fish oil made entirely from salmon. Kind of the same thing right?

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    it was on a bed of arugula with evoo and balsamic vinegret.

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    To be fair, he was ed if he did and ed if he didn't attach to Romney platform...

    If he decides to go maverick, well, you know what happened with the last republican VP nominee going that route...

    If he instead plays the established party minion, he then looks 'DC as usual' as you point out.
    I'm firmly on the boutons ed/un able bus, tbh. Neither side is worth a damn and only wants to propagate their own power. Magical mystery tour with boutons driving, anyone?

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    It happens a uva lot more than you think it does, and waaay more than right-wing press EVER goes after corrupt Republicans in the same way.

    But, hey, don't let me deter you from any cherished mythology. By all means, carry on.

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    Too bad that the ONE Republican with an actual budget plan was marginalized and screwed over during the entire nomination process, tbh...

    http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issue...store-america/
    That isn't a budget. That is a fairy tale.

    Pauls budget is an emotionally appealing amalgamation of what feels good to believe in, if one doens't mind the very real expense of morality and decency.

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    Oh, be quiet with that.
    LOL...

    Be quite?

    I questioned you because you appear as a single minded M$M lemming for the election. We have too many people voting like that. Deciding from soundbites, union propaganda, etc. When will you stop listening to what the media masters say and start seeking information out for yourself?
    When Obama ran, did any Republican care about his views?
    Absolutely, and attacked several. Not just one they could laugh at.
    Of course not. It was all about how he had never held a "real" job, and had no experience. But what "real" job did Ryan hold? *shrug* I guess since he's a veep and not running for pres, it doesn't matter.
    Changing the subject I see. Besides not liking any of Obama's policies, if you recall, it wasn't about not having a real job as much as it was having zero experience in any executive type position.
    He's been in Congress since 1998 (14 years and counting), he's sponsored 71 bills, and ultimately 2 of them were voted into law. (Renaming a post office, and lowering an excise tax on arrow shafts, real controversial stuff).
    So?

    How many bills did Obama sponsor and how many made it through the process?

    Obama sponsored 16 in his short time, none of which went anywhere. Only one made it past committee to a Judiciary review before going no where else.
    He wants to reduce deficit supposedly, but he voted for the wars, voted for TARP, voted for Medicare Part D, and voted for the auto industry bailout. How exactly are we supposed to reduce the deficit paying for all this stuff again?
    He feels as I do maybe. You should always pay off the debt unless you are in recession or war.
    Oh, and the CBo analyzed the plan, and it wouldn't even begin to balance the budget until 2040. Real serious plan there.
    And you trust the CBO?

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    So he's proud of his plan, but he's still going to bash Obama over something he agrees with.
    This is where we differ and I'm really trying to have a reasonable debate with you here. That both Ryan and Obama proposed cutting Medicare doesn't mean their plans agreed with one another. I'm not that familiar with Ryan's plan to know if he also mitigated those cuts in other areas of his plan.

    We do know how Obama planned to mitigate his cuts, by cutting fraud and waste (something on which the government has a stellar record) and by impaneling a 15-member unelected panel to ration care. I would venture a guess and suggest Ryan's plan didn't include either of these idea.

    Or maybe he doesn't anymore. Who knows?
    I would suggest it's not that important now that he's on board with the Republican nominee that has his own plan.

    And it seems silly for Romney to pick a veep whose most well known for his budget, only to have his "big accomplishment" be marginalized in such a way.
    It's only being marginalized by people who weren't going to vote for him anyway. I'm not sure how you can look at the statements of people such as Erskine Bowles and Ron Wyden and, even if they disagree with Ryan, think that he's unserious, unintelligent, and unsuited for the task.

    Fair enough, but then it's only fair to point out that Ryan agreed with Obama just a year ago. It undercuts his message greatly. Also, it undermines Romney picking him. If Romney picked him for his budget/fiscal expertise, why isn't he using his plan?
    I don't know that he agreed beyond the mere fact cuts were involved. We do know Ryan was opposed to what Obama wanted to do with the cuts -- apply them to Obamacare. We also know Obama has no serious plan for saving Medicare -- he accelerated it's insolvency by raiding $716 billion dollars and did nothing to mitigate that damage.

    Is the same true with the Ryan plan? I don't know -- maybe I'll get around to reading it some day -- but, right now, in this election, it's irrelevant.

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    When will you stop listening to what the media masters say and start seeking information out for yourself?


    Like how teen pregnancy rates have fallen over the last twenty years?

    Sorry man, you are funny when you start talking about like that, because you have oooh so litle moral authority when it comes to lecturing others about digging into actual data before talking out one's ass.

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    Like how teen pregnancy rates have fallen over the last twenty years?

    Sorry man, you are funny when you start talking about like that, because you have oooh so litle moral authority when it comes to lecturing others about digging into actual data before talking out one's ass.
    Yes, I know that you believe such things. If I recall, we were talking about two different things on that topic. Unplanned vs. planned.

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    I'm firmly on the boutons ed/un able bus, tbh. Neither side is worth a damn and only wants to propagate their own power. Magical mystery tour with boutons driving, anyone?

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    Oh, be quiet with that.


    What's the other word, 'strait'?

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    I'm firmly on the boutons ed/un able bus, tbh. Neither side is worth a damn and only wants to propagate their own power. Magical mystery tour with boutons driving, anyone?
    I've gone insane now.

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    Yes, I know that you believe such things. If I recall, we were talking about two different things on that topic. Unplanned vs. planned.
    Yeah, you tried to weasel your way out of that by splitting hairs.

    Didn't work then, won't work now, and it still makes you look like the idiot you are.
    Last edited by RandomGuy; 08-30-2012 at 04:13 PM.

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    Yeah, you tried to weasel your way out of that by splitting hairs.

    Didn't work then, won't work now, and it still makes you look like the idiot you are.
    I'll tell you what.

    If it's that important to you, bump the thread. I'll prove you wrong. Put up or shut up.

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    I'll tell you what.

    If it's that important to you, bump the thread. I'll prove you wrong. Put up or shut up.
    To be fair, if Wild Cobra was born before 1950, he has seen teen pregnancy rates shoot up in his lifetime -- twice. I peeked at the thread and that's what he said that he had witnessed a "dramatic rise in teen pregnancies in his lifetime."

    But, WC, if you think teen pregnancy is more prevalent now than when you were younger, you're wrong. It's decreased about 30% since 1950 with a slight bump during the "blow-jobs-aren't-sex" presidency.

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    I've gone insane now.
    Judging from Nono's scouting report, we couldn't even get a real flying bus.

    there *will* be plenty of scooby snacks though, hopefully, FWIW.

    ps how the are you not bolded yet man? :P

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