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this yes
everything else, no
thats what i meant by "most of those things"
and i promise, i do not have a dog in this fight.
What? Poor people don't have kids in school? They're never sick, never have to leave school in the middle of the day?
this yes
everything else, no
thats what i meant by "most of those things"
and i promise, i do not have a dog in this fight.
Well, what about Medicaid, food stamps, section 8/subsidized housing, etc? Don't people have to show photo ID and proof of (lack of) income?
Sorry, don't mean to target you personally.
medicaid don't matter. you can still walk in and get care. food stamps, you'd think so.
sorry, had to edit, sec.8 of course there is some kind of identification needed for the records. thats all the property owners care about. supply whatever hud requires and cash the check.
is it to hard to do the paper work to to get free food stamps?
to hard to do the paper work for becoming a legal usa citizen?
i guess not
my wife worked at a bank and as a new employer she had to ask some customers to show id to give them money
guess what they were MAD
you would think they wanted to make sure the right person got the money
people are stupid they should be happy to prove who they are!
do they like fraud?
And to add to above, you can't even get in the school building/front office without signing in and producing picture id. They run in through one of those machines (like in the hospital) and you get a sticker with your picture/name on it and where you're going.
im in socal and that wasn't needed in our district.
you can get care with or without id.
cal is like another country
where you at, ducks?
Arizona, where everything is normal.
How exactly have I lost objectivity here?
The objective evidence says that ID laws hinder certain types of voters disproportionately.
The objective evidence says that the types of fraud that ID laws are targeted at doesn't exist.
The objective evidence is that you get GOP led legislatures that ask for studies about how different races use different aspects of the voting system, then immediately after getting that data, decide to eliminate features that are used by minorities that vote for Democrats.
This is not really open for debate.
What the are you talking about here? Looks to me like you are trying to say two sides in the debate are equal. They aren't, not by a long shot. I have always found the stupid, lazy "well the truth must be in the middle" to be worse the than useless.
See "balance fallacy":
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Balance_fallacy
You trying for that false equivalence? Clarify.
The problem is:
It is difficult for some people.
It doesn't really prevent any fraud.
Therefore, it is a waste of taxpayer money.
Do you think taxpayers should both have their money wasted, and their ability to vote wrongly denied?
30 minutes away from my tax dollars are paying for illegals crossing the boarder to go to school
Where the school teacher has 35 students to many to teach.
it would be better if they atleast pay for the education
Did you know each student cost the gov 12k
That unreal I heard that hard to believe though hope someone can prove that wrong!
I go to mexico all the time to get my eyeglasses and dental work done. I even got my wisdom teeth taken out down there.
I have no problem with the Mexicans if I did I would not live so close to the boarder!
i wasn't even referring to the id debate. i should have been clear.
i meant, overall, that in this election cycle......you seem to be a little ted nugent out of control.
I think the ones that have problems they should receive but they should get it
do you think some might have problems so we change the rules just to help out a very small percentage of people
I want 100 percent of the usa citizen to vote that are alive and voting age
So let's contrast your example:
ID for picking up kids from school.
--evidence exists that kids can be picked up and put in dangerous situations
Problem exists. Ask for ID.
ID for voting to prevent in person voter fraud.
--evidence does not exist that in person voter fraud is real
See the difference there?
One solves a real problem, the other... doesn't.
proven fact dead people have voted before
This issue pisses me off. It is very clear cut. Not going to make any apologies for that.
No actually they haven't.
The instances you refer to were investigated, and all were found to be essentially clerical errors.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-black-voters/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...yth/?tid=a_inl
7 papers, 4 government inquiries, 2 news investigations and 1 court ruling proving voter fraud is mostly a myth
do you think people should only vote absent ballot?
the "dead people" voting were mostly chalked up to people with similar names. Basically volunteer poll workers confused the alive "John A. Smith" with the dead "John H. Smith", when recording who was actually voting, i.e. "Your ID says John Smith, so I am going to attribute your vote to the first John Smith on my list, without making sure that the name matches the person".
The databases weren't scrubbed of dead voters, allowing such errors to happen.
Do you think a political party should be able to prevent voters from opposing political parties from casting ballots?
Another good example.
Evidence exists that people will pretend to be someone else to get money.
Ok to ask for ID, to prevent this problem.
Evidence does not exist that shows in person voter fraud is a problem.
Again, see the difference there?
Asking for ID in one case solves a real problem.
Asking for ID in another case does not solve a real problem.
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