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    Chump was obviously destroyed in my last post and he couldn't take it, and he tried hard. Oh that was fun, I'll go ahead and just keep him on ignore after all lol

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    Man, this ignoring me thing didn't work out for you.

    You should switch to your other screen name so you can read my posts.

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    I couldn't say that ALL the research points towards it. Much of the evidence strongly refutes it. Seems weird to get the virus by ingesting it anyway.
    Technically you're right. "all the research" was a poor choice of words.

    It's just personal belief based on all the evidence I've seen on both sides. That hypothesis makes more sense than the throwaway bushmeat theory or some other crap they've come up with.

    All the scientists are in agreement that HIV1 is a derivative of SIV1, which is only seen in chimpanzees. If they want to claim the bushmeat theory, then where was AIDS several years ago? Sure people were sick, but it wasn't with the classical PCP or KS symptoms that are hand-in-hand with HIV/AIDS.

    Long story short, I could go on for hours about this but neither of us will sway the other's opinion, amirite?

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    Typical response from someone who wants to criticize while again not knowing about it or even trying to learn about it lol.

    But, but, but, I saw RandomGuy criticize me on the internet, it must be true, i mean he didn't even watch the video or the facts they talk about in it, though he still formed an opinion! lol
    "If they would just read the pamphlet I handed them in the parking lot, they would accept Jesus into their hearts and be saved..."
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    "If you would just educate yourself and watch my hour long videos about my conspiracy theories, you would see how right I am."



    I am not going to learn about it, that is 100% correct.

    Watching your videos is like a bukkake of stupid, you sign up for that all the time, but I kinda like to duck stupidity when someone shoves it in my face.

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    "If they would just read the pamphlet I handed them in the parking lot, they would accept Jesus into their hearts and be saved..."
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    "If you would just educate yourself and watch my hour long videos about my conspiracy theories, you would see how right I am."



    I am not going to learn about it, that is 100% correct.

    Watching your videos is like a bukkake of stupid, you sign up for that all the time, but I kinda like to duck stupidity when someone shoves it in my face.
    lol Why does RandomGuy hate Doctors?

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    Technically you're right. "all the research" was a poor choice of words.

    It's just personal belief based on all the evidence I've seen on both sides. That hypothesis makes more sense than the throwaway bushmeat theory or some other crap they've come up with.

    All the scientists are in agreement that HIV1 is a derivative of SIV1, which is only seen in chimpanzees. If they want to claim the bushmeat theory, then where was AIDS several years ago? Sure people were sick, but it wasn't with the classical PCP or KS symptoms that are hand-in-hand with HIV/AIDS.
    By the same token, where were those symptoms show up in the 60s right after the vaccines were administered to one million people? Seems any time lag explanation would apply more to the bushmeat theory (I'd rather just call it the urbanization theory tbh) since the initial infection was for that was necessarily one or very few people compared to thousands for the OPV theory.

    Long story short, I could go on for hours about this but neither of us will sway the other's opinion, amirite?
    Yep.

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    By the same token, where were those symptoms show up in the 60s right after the vaccines were administered to one million people? Seems any time lag explanation would apply more to the bushmeat theory (I'd rather just call it the urbanization theory tbh) since the initial infection was for that was necessarily one or very few people compared to thousands for the OPV theory.
    That's a great question, and one that I can't answer. I can only assume variable mutation and incubation periods. Even though HIV comes from SIV, I think it's safe to assume it didn't turn into HIV overnight. Possibly a generation or two. The OPV campaigns in Central Africa were late 50-s/very early 60s, and Central Africa was the first area to face major outbreak of HIV/AIDS symptoms.

    It got recognition (not by Ronny) by some of the medical community when it hit NY/LA/SF and France in the late 70's/early 80s.

    Once again, it's just the most logical explaantion (to me) when discussing the likeliest origin of the virus. Aslo important to note that the Doctor who was responsible for those campaigns (Kaprowski) has a hbistory of misconduct in medical research--and he was in a deadheat race with Sabin to come up with an OPV.

    Agree to disagree, I suppose.

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    My second choice for origin would be the Fundamentalist theory of God punishing gays and blacks.

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    That's a great question, and one that I can't answer. I can only assume variable mutation and incubation periods. Even though HIV comes from SIV, I think it's safe to assume it didn't turn into HIV overnight. Possibly a generation or two. The OPV campaigns in Central Africa were late 50-s/very early 60s, and Central Africa was the first area to face major outbreak of HIV/AIDS symptoms.

    It got recognition (not by Ronny) by some of the medical community when it hit NY/LA/SF and France in the late 70's/early 80s.

    Once again, it's just the most logical explaantion (to me) when discussing the likeliest origin of the virus. Aslo important to note that the Doctor who was responsible for those campaigns (Kaprowski) has a hbistory of misconduct in medical research--and he was in a deadheat race with Sabin to come up with an OPV.

    Agree to disagree, I suppose.
    I think a synthesis of some of the theories explains it best to me. The urbanization/bushmeat/labor conditions theory goes a long way to show how SIV made the initial jump and became HIV, and the period of unsafe mass injection programs provided the mechanism for it to explode after a slower initial spread.

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    if the government spent half as much on health research as they do on military, HIV/cancer and things of the sort would be nonissues.

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    Don't know about non issues but its pretty damn true that we'd have better treaments, cures, and an understanding about health in general if that was the case.

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    I'd really be interested to know how SA210 thinks our immune system works. Can you outline the differences between the adaptive and innate responses?

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    I was. As soon as I learned the truth I started making changes. In fact I was a severe migraine sufferer as well, I got them all the time.

    I cleansed myself from toxins in my body and made the dietary changes I needed to make after going on a strict water only fast that lasted over 3 weeks.

    Haven't had a migraine since, or any other illness True story
    So you were vaccinated against the major diseases. I do not think your water cleanse keeps you from getting rubella.

    What do migraines have to do with vaccines?

    I will admit that I am not a big pharmaceutical person. In the past 15 years, I have taken antibiotics once for a major infection in my knee. I do think nutrition and exercise help alot, but they do not replace the health advances brought about by vaccination against major diseases. The flu shot- I don't get one.

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    I haven't ever had a migrane and I get vaccinations all the time.

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    I have taken antibiotics once for a major infection in my knee.
    Sucker, all you needed was some flintstones vitamins. Besides your knee infection was caused by a vaccine you got as a kid and now someday you'll get sick because of the antibiotics for your knee. It's all like circular and .

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    Sucker, all you needed was some flintstones vitamins. Besides your knee infection was caused by a vaccine you got as a kid and now someday you'll get sick because of the antibiotics for your knee. It's all like circular and .

    This guy gets it..

    lol

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    I wouldn't trust doctors to give me these things

    http://yle.fi/uutiset/vaccine_expert...mptoms/1919879

    Vaccine Expert: Doctors Withheld Narcolepsy Symptoms
    Kari Lankinen, head physician of the Finnish Medicines Agency says that doctors have failed to report su ions of side effects of the H1N1 swine flu vaccine. Lankinen is also a member of a national group of vaccine experts.



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    In an interview with the Savo local service of YLE, Lankinen said that doctors seem to have deliberately refrained from informing authorities about their su ions of side effects of the swine flu vaccine Pandemrix, even though there were several cases of suspected side effects.

    Lankinen suspects that the reason for the silence was the doctors’ concern about their own professional goals – such as getting their articles published in international medical journals. The doctors who made the observations in recent months now work with the National Ins ute for Health and Welfare (THL).

    Deliberate Deception Denied

    Paediatrician Turkka Kirjavainen of the Children’s Hospital of the Helsinki and Uusimaa Health Care District (HUS), who also works with THL, admits that the first symptoms of narcolepsy among children were investigated at the beginning of the year, but insists that there were no su ions of any connections between the narcolepsy and the H1N1 vaccine. He sharply denies any deliberate deception.

    Doctors are not legally required to report suspected side-effects of vaccines. Nine suspected cases of narcolepsy have been reported by HUS so far.

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    I'd really be interested to know how SA210 thinks our immune system works. Can you outline the differences between the adaptive and innate responses?

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    I only ever get migraines after vaccinating myself against sobriety.

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    I only ever get migraines after vaccinating myself against sobriety.
    headache was a sequela of being brainwashed which had nothing to do with vaccinating imho

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    Regarding bushmeat:

    Butchering a carcass generally requires sharp objects, and getting fist deep in blood and entrails.

    Given what we know about how AIDS is transmitted, a cut or two on someones hand during the process of butchering a monkey or ape for its meat would be a VERY plausible explanation to me.

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    Autism is not caused by vaccines. It is genetic. The increased prevalence is caused by an unidentified mutagen.

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    Autism is not caused by vaccines. It is genetic. The increased prevalence is caused by an unidentified mutagen.
    which lies dormant until activated by vaccines

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    which lies dormant until activated by vaccines
    Yes, that's what happens. The child gets vaccinated, which kicks off a closed timelike curve going back to nine months before the child was born and activating a mutagen in daddy's sperm.

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    Yes, that's what happens. The child gets vaccinated, which kicks off a closed timelike curve going back to nine months before the child was born and activating a mutagen in daddy's sperm.
    no, it activates it through the mothers who have been vaccinated

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