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  1. #76
    5-5 Deuce Bigalow's Avatar
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    1974-75 Bucks: Miss Playoffs
    1975-76 Lakers: Miss Playoffs
    1977-78 Lakers: Lose in first round

    Prime Kareem Abdul-Jabbar were on those teams. I guess he wasn't the best player because his TEAM didn't win....

    dunkman with his childish "logic"

  2. #77
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    Superstars should not miss the playoffs in their prime...

  3. #78
    5-5 Deuce Bigalow's Avatar
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    Superstars should not miss the playoffs in their prime...
    It depends on what teammates they have. One player can only do so much.

  4. #79
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    It depends on what teammates they have. One player can only do so much.
    A superstar should be enough to MAKE the playoffs.

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    5-5 Deuce Bigalow's Avatar
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    A superstar should be enough to MAKE the playoffs.
    So Kareem didn't do enough?
    Sometimes a team is so bad that it isn't enough. What's so hard to understand?

  6. #81
    🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 ElNono's Avatar
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    So Kareem didn't do enough?
    Kareem didn't play in this 30-team watered down NBA...

    The real question is whether Kirby is a superstar at all or a overrated coattailer...

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    Deuce
    Since you resorted to cheap shots and ignore arguments, will take that as a capitulation.

  8. #83
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    Since you resorted to cheap shots and ignore arguments, will take that as a capitulation.
    "Arguments"?
    You posted that Kobe wasn't the best player because his TEAM didn't go past the first round and Didn't deserves his mvps.

    You don't understand the simple concept that teams win games. Learn about basketball first then maybe you can make a legit argument.

  9. #84
    Drive for Five! ambchang's Avatar
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    Wow! Laker fans saying team win games. Do teams win championships too?

  10. #85
    Got Woke? DMC's Avatar
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    Folks, step right up, see the difference between a Lakers fan and a Kobe fan.

    Lakers fan rises and falls with the Lakers fortunes. Kobe fans rises with Lakers fortunes, and loiters during the decline by regurgitating Kobe's numbers despite the outcome of the game.

  11. #86
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    Since you resorted to cheap shots and ignore arguments, will take that as a capitulation.
    You do know what a deuce is.

  12. #87
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    Bump. Stats that makes no sense.

  13. #88
    The Timeless One Leetonidas's Avatar
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    Kareem, Bird, and Hakeem also have 2 FMVPs, Wilt would also have "only" 2 FMVP if they had the award back then.
    Shaq, Hakeem, and Oscar also have 1 MVP.

    MVPs have a lot of factors that one player can't control, one is your teammates. You ain't going to win enough games to win the award with the team he had in 05-06 and 06-07. He led the league in scoring those years btw.
    Was Nash a better player than Kobe in 05-06? Was Dirk a better player than Kobe in 06-07? Although I think they fairly won the award and deserved it considering what the MVP award has become since the '80s. Kareem in the 70s was the last player to win it on a team that only won under 49 games.
    Anyways, Kobe is going to end up as the NBA's All-time leading playoff scorer and 3rd on the all-time scoring list along with his 5 rings, so overrated he is not.

    How a Spurs fan can call Kobe overrated is beyond me. Just look at what he did to you guys in the Playoffs, we'll you don't need to look, you already know.
    just wanna point out that we both know that the MVP award is not the best player award. Kobe was definitely a better player in 2006 the Nash, but was he more valuable to his team? The fact that he imploded at the end of the season and quit on his team only cemented that while Kobe was scoring like a man possessed in 2006, he was not the MVP of the NBA


    Most VALUABLE Player =/= Best Player in the League (all the time, anyway)

  14. #89
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    ... And Kobe continues to on spurfan per par. 5 games with 30 or more points, 5 wins in a row

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