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Timvp, the voice of sanity in a knee jerk world.
I haven no problem with Greens game. If there was an area I would like to see him work on it would be to try harder and take more pride in trying to be a "lockdown" defender. He seems like he's going through the motions a little too much defensively at times and that tends to bother me. Green is a 3 pt specialist and can't really do anything else with the ball. He isn't afraid to shoot and is going to get up shots. They either go in or they don't and that doesn't bother me. He's never going to be an elite defender but it would be nice to see him be more aggressive on that end. That way he isn't totally useless if his shot isn't falling. (cough gary neal cough)
Timvp, the voice of sanity in a knee jerk world.
So, pull some stats and logic out of your ass and explain why Ray Allen isn't a first ballot HOF. I'll wait.
You don't think Green's scoring would increase a good deal if he doesn't miss 2-3 easy layups a game? I think between that, not leaving his man as much and continuing to expand his assist game, he still has some room to grow.
Danny Green misses 2-3 easy layups a game because they aren't easy layups for him. A guy who's not very good at making layups isn't going to have a ton of trade value. Frankly, the only way to increase his scoring would be to play him more minutes, and that takes minutes away from Ginobili and Jack.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nba...r_a2&eref=sihp
A number of teams are interested in Smith's ability to impact the game at both ends and in transition as an athletic scorer and playmaker. But he'll be an expensive hire who will be demanding a long-term investment.
Most of the biggest names known to be available this week are impending free agents. The Jazz could choose to move center Al Jefferson and/or power forward Paul Millsap, who are both on expiring contracts. The Jazz have younger, cheaper replacements in Derrick Favors (a future star, they hope) and Enes Kanter.
"I think they'll trade one of them because they can't keep both,'' a rival general manager said. "But I'm never sure which one will go. One day I think it's going to be Jefferson, and the next day it will be Millsap.''
A trade for Millsap or Jefferson will carry the same responsibility as any deal for Smith -- the acquiring team must protect the investment by being confident in its ability to re-sign him in the offseason.The Timberwolves could seek to improve for next year by dangling former No. 2 pick Derrick Williams.
green is a one trick pony that will probably dissapear in the playoffs. he makes multiple bonehead mistakes a game. wake the up
why the is Ray Allen's name in this thread???
Last edited by cheguevara; 02-18-2013 at 04:08 PM.
To get back to reality and trades. Reality says the FO and Pop aren't going to change out any of our first 6/8 players while we are sporting the best record in the league, even with some serious injury time out to TD and Manu. Especially since it takes a year or two to fit into the system (Corporate Knowledge). So even if you got someone with skills, they probably wouldn't dramatically affect the team this year.
The remainder of the bench has shown just enough to keep while their flaws are such that I doubt anyone is calling, looking for them because they can't live without them. Jackson might be someone who could be moved for his expiring contract, but what would you really get in return. Probably not much talent and again, it would be a loss in team corporate knowledge.
lol green and allen comps
No offense intended, but that's simply not accurate. Green only averages ~1.5 shots per game at the rim, so he doesn't miss 2-3 layups a night, obviously. And, actually, he's now 14 for his last 18 at the rim, which has pushed his percentage on shots at the rim on the season up to a respectable 55.7%. For someone of Green's build, coordination and athleticism, being an average finisher for a shooting guard is probably a bit too ambitious ... but let's say that's a reasonable ceiling. Considering that shooting guards on average shoot ~63% on the rim, that means to reach that goal Green would need to turn six of his misses into makes.
On the season, yeah his scoring would increase ... from 10.19 points per game to 10.42 points per game. So not exactly a ton of room for improvement on offense by converting more shots at the rim, even if we assume Green can become a league average finisher for a SG, which is dubious in itself.
I don't think Green leaves his man out of laziness or forgetfulness or anything like that. It's because he doesn't have great instincts regarding when to help, when to fake help, when to rotate early, when to stick to his man at all costs, etc. Those type of instincts would have probably kicked in at this stage of his development. There's a chance his natural instincts improve ... but it's not something that happens often. For example, Bonner is one of the smartest players in the NBA (if not the smartest), and his instincts never developed beyond special ed level. Kawhi, on the other hand, had very good instincts on Day 1 even though he had no summer league, no training camp or any other way to learn previously.
It's not unreasonable to say Green may become a better passer but then you have to start pondering diminishing returns. If Green is asked to pass more, that will mean there is less talent around him, which translates into less open space for him to operate. Right now he's in a great spot where he's asked to knock down open shots while anything else is a bonus. If you put more on his plate, his efficiency is likely to decrease about the same rate as his production increases. Thus, I believe Green at this point is basically WYSIWYG.
Four years at North Carolina, a year as a starter with the Spurs and another half-year in the books ... I think this is what we can expect out of him. Personally, big picture-wise, I'm thrilled. To turn a scrap heap signing into a top 20 player at his position is outstanding work by the front office.
IMO, Green's ceiling as a player:
16 points per 36
6 rebounds
3.5 assists
1.8 steals
1.2 blocks
.620 TS%
If he reaches those numbers, he probably becomes a top 10-12 shooting guard, which would be fantastic.
Last edited by timvp; 02-18-2013 at 07:18 PM.
No offense taken. Thanks for the correction. I guess Green's misses at the rim look so bad that they multiply in my head. He might drive more if he were better at finishing, though, which also could contribute to him being a better scorer.
I wonder how Green managed to have the defensive impact he had last year if he doesn't have at least average defensive instincts. He certainly seemed to have a bit more one-on-one success then, but I thought he did a lot of little things right that he just isn't doing this year.
Maybe I am just imagining things, but he seems to be trying to pass more recently. When he's forced to drive, he often tries to draw the help and get the ball to a big man near the rim. Sometimes it's worked, and sometimes it hasn't, but a lot of misses seem to be the result of poor timing between Green and his target. Also, if Green were a bigger threat to score at the rim, he might be better at this. I think Green learning how to pass can only be a good thing. Even though Parker is the main ball-handler, it would be nice to see Green also be able to drive and kick so the Spurs could better attack zone defenses.
Then we don't really have that different of projections for Green. I thought (and still sort of think) Green could average in the 4s in assists, especially in a post-Big Three era, I was more conservative with the points and rebounds projections. I also had him getting 2 blocks and steals, but that was too ambitious in hindsight. That looks like Andre Iguadola's per 36 career averages, which feels about right to me subjectively as to Green's potential impact.IMO, Green's ceiling as a player:
16 points per 36
6 rebounds
3.5 assists
1.8 steals
1.2 blocks
.620 TS%
If he reaches those numbers, he probably becomes a top 10-12 shooting guard, which would be fantastic.
Last edited by Chinook; 02-18-2013 at 07:18 PM.
Incidentally enough, timvp what statline do you think Leonard would average at his ceiling? If I missed a post in which you've said this, I apologize.
not sure on this writer but:
http://blognbasketball.com/2013/02/s...-to-beat-spursAccording to my sources, Clippers view only the San Antonio Spurs, not the Oklahoma City Thunder, as their main obstacle out west. Clipper executive Andy Roeser has told David Stern on many occasions that he expects the ‘Clips’ to be in San Antonio for the conference finals.
Good. Clippers should knock out OKC for us and then we can knock out the Clippers.
IMO
Spurs > Clippers
Thunder > Spurs
Clippers > Thunder
Doesn't make sense in a mathmatical sense, but matchup-wise this is how it is.
Wouldn't really make sense for the Clippers to consider themselves the odd man out. It wouldn't shock me to see them pass OKC.
Makes sense. They beat OKC 3-1 last season, and while they lost the past two meetings Chris Paul didn't play in the game @LAC.
I hate to see Danny Green trashed on every other thread. He is what he is. I would be surprised, and a little disappointed, if the Spurs traded anyone in the top ten of the rotation. I would really only care to see Blair traded for a draft pick, and then use the roster spot to either pick up a seasoned veteran or give one of the Toro mobile bigs a chance to guard in the NBA.
Good question. Curious to know the answer too.
DeJuan Blair @DeJuan45 Wowwww!
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Probably has something to do with that long ass flight to Sacramento.
^ tweet was deleted fans asked if blair was traded ...............
Is that you, Grizz?
Or are you his stalker?
Otherwise, how the would you know?
still shows that tweet there on his twitter feed.
I'd just trade Blair and a 2nd round pick to PHX for Jermaine O'Neal. He's still averaging 7 pts, 5 boards, and 1 block a game, and can shoot the mid range jumper. Yea he's 34 but this is just for insurance and another big body to throw against OKC, LAC, and hopefully, MIA. Wouldn't play many minutes anyways. Couldn't hurt.
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