I feel the same way, I'd rather have people planning on kidnapping me instead of my family members...it'd give me an excuse to carry a deagle or an smg around so I can light up any mofo that tries to kidnap me.
It's probably smarter for them to move, and follow Manu around where ever he goes. I hope he retires in SA so they can stay there, and eventually move back to Argentina.
But If I were Manu, I would be freakin out if people were planning to harm my family. If I had his kind of money and I couldn't convince them to come to the states, I would build a fortress around their house...either that or move them into a naval base.
I think the southern neighborhoods are more dangerous than the northern ones. For me, the safest place to live in BA is in the north (Belgrano, Nuñez, Saavedra, Coghlan). Also Vicente Lopez is a nice place to live, very quiet.
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LA BOCA, we are the worst people in town ... that's why we appreciate the antichrist (TP)
That's what I thought, but I wasn't sure...
most of my family lives in Belgrano which is like NE BA, I believe...and they still have all been jumped!
I guess we're unfortunate...
Nice...another fanhendrix, there ya go. Also I was silly for not reading every single post. I didn't realize there was so much stupid being talked about your country. Sorry for all the insults by other folks. BUT, I NEVER mentioned Argentina. That is for the record.
The thing that pissed me off was when this Athenea chick chimed in as if she spoke for Brazilian culture as a whole and acted as if she understood my role in Brazilian society and what they think of me. Get the out of here! What a letdown that bird is. I am loved in Brazil and its a place, as in America, where my opinion is valued. When I get pissed and complain about the reality of the crime situation, its because I have a reason and cause to. People respect that . People don't respect petty ass "nationalism".
Anyone want to do battle with me on this in a blog? Should be fun!
considering you spoke about South America as a whole I don't see Y u get horrified by my comments.
It's not that I can't understand your point of view...it's that I just don't believe u can freely criticized Brazil among Brazilians...
May be I know squat about US-Brazil relationships but I do see the "preferential" treatment that Americans receive in international airports. May be that's not your case (obviously u r beyond that, probably carrying some especial credentials).
Querido, você quemou filme! E não se preocupe: os brazileiros são muito legais comigo porque eu sei me-comportar corretamente na casa deles.
Belgrano is not the safest part of Buenos AIres. It depends which part of Belgrano, you must live near Nuñez then.
Not me personally, I live in Philadelphia, but my close relatives live in Belgrano.
They live in a nice area actually, close to all the embassies, like 3 blocks off of Avenida Cabildo.
I'm not gonna tell you exactly where they live but it's around the street names off: Virrey del Pino, Arcos, Pampas, Ciudad de la Paz, and I can't think right now, but all the streets will be fresh in my memory after I visit in the first weeks of August.
I'm not positive, but I don't think that's a bad area.
My cousins live really close to the Mexican embassy.
ALVIE, there're some dangerous places in BA and GBA, places like "hoods" in US. Most of those places have been eradicated from inside the city. Southern GBA has some tough places nearby wealthy neighborhoods (like Lomas de Zamora, Temperley, Lanus). Same goes for the Northern part of GBA.
As long as u have the danger zones well identified and the transportation is safe/reliable you should be able to wander around without major problems.
May be the exposure to dangerous situations is bigger in Buenos Aires due to its active night live (from 10 pm to 8 am).
That's a nice part of town.
Enjoy your stay in the most beautiful city in the World!
Thanks, and yeah it's my favorite city in the world, I love it...I wish the economy/politics were in good state in Argentina right now...
Preferential treatment at airports? What are you talking about? I will say that I have been through Brazilian Customs at least 50 times in my life and regardless of the volume of luggage NOT ONCE have I ever been hassled, so you may have a point. But think about it...Nice...another fan
considering you spoke about South America as a whole I don't see Y u get horrified by my comments.
It's not that I can't understand your point of view...it's that I just don't believe u can freely criticized Brazil among Brazilians...
May be I know squat about US-Brazil relationships but I do see the "preferential" treatment that Americans receive in international airports. May be that's not your case (obviously u r beyond that, probably carrying some especial credentials
Querido, você quemou filme! E não se preocupe: os brazileiros são muito legais comigo porque eu sei me-comportar corretamente na casa deles
1. Why do Americans receive this so-called "preferential treatment" at international airports (as if that has anything whatsoever to do with this thread)? Um, let me venture out and take a stab. Uh, ya think it could be that most Americans traveling abroad are doing so overwhelmingly for legitimate tourism or business? Hence, most American travelers are not clearing foreign customs to live abroad illegally or to traffic in illegal goods and services. True, there are exceptions to the rule, but from an efficiency standpoint, why on Earth would Americans NOT receive this alleged "preferential treatment"?
2. And I didn't "queimar" porra nenhuma, menina. Your personal experience appears quite limited in the scope of Brazilian culture, and you know absolutely zilch about how I, personally, fit into that vast concept. Do not try to impose your limited point of view on my existence here. I will repeat, once again, and then this subject will be closed with you. Read carefully:
I am not Argentinian and I am not some drunk soccer fan talking trash in Brazil. I live here, I pay taxes here, I help people, I have countless friends and connections. I am well-respected and so is my opinion. It has nothing to do with me being an American, but it has to do with the cards that I bring to the table, in this case, Brazil. I speak Portuguese with no accent, I treat people around the globe with the utmost respect, and I am what Brazilians like to call me "verdadeiro".
I DO CRITICIZE BRAZIL AMONG BRAZILIANS, EVEN TO A BRAZILIAN DEPUTADO FEDERAL (CONGBRESSMAN) FRIEND OF MINE. EVEN TO MY WIFE, WHO IS BRAZILIAN. AND MY OPINION IS VALUED AND RESPECTED.
Now that is the end of this discussion. Maybe to a stranger, perhaps an Argentinian wandering through Brazil, perhaps it would be wise to avoid "criticism" of that culture, but in my case, again, I am no tourist and you have absolutely no grounds, insight, basis etc. to assume what I can and cannot say in Brazil. Maybe you'd get your ass chewed out talking about social issues in Brazil, but not me. That is a fact, sweetheart.
Pleasant chat!
One more thing to add. There is no American on this Earth who is more proud to be American than I. As proud? Sure. But not more.
Having said that, I tolerate foreign dissidence and negative opinion of America on a daily basis. My whole angle is either to educate that person or understand why they harbor the view they have. Perhaps that individual is frustrated because he/she cannot obtain a work visa for the United States. Perhaps that individual is a naturally envious person, what have you. Maybe that person had to listen to some individuals, who appear to be American, blast and rip into their native country.
In whichever case, I try to always be patient and set a great example of what it means to be an American, especially when I am overseas. That includes:
-being real
-being honest
-being friendly
-being helpful
-be generous
-being a gentleman
-being strong
But if somebody makes smart ass remarks about the deaths of my countrymen and destruction of my national landmarks through a terrorist act, then those are fighting words. That is the entire reason I am in this thread.
Some stupid, worthless asshole created a phantom username just to post one smart ass, hateful comment referencing September 11th. That's why I jumped in furiously. No offense to any other people and my intent is not to belittle other cultures and nations. In fact, as I have cited numerous times, I have considerable experience overseas.
Having said that, if any of you, American or not, would like to "throw fists" with me in a battle blog, let LJ know.
holy dude! my family lived in Calle Arcos!! what a coincidence. That is a nice ass area, eventhough they robbed the supermarket across the street from us like 4 times already!
My dream would be to live in that area. Too bad my family moved now. I was there in the summer and the women.... wow.
nkd, just curious, are you a U.S. citizen now?
Whatever pleases you dude...
but boy... you are such an arrogant
nope. resident.
That's cool.holy dude! my family lived in Calle Arcos!! what a coincidence. That is a nice ass area, eventhough they robbed the supermarket across the street from us like 4 times already!
My dream would be to live in that area. Too bad my family moved now. I was there in the summer and the women.... wow.
What was the closest intersection to where they lived? or the streets near it?
Who me? Damn, and here I thought your comprehension of the English language was competent.
Dude, I'm anything BUT arrogant. To begin, I don't think an "arrogant" person would've been so damned apologetic about allegedly offending people from another country, especially when that was not my intention.
This is a fan forum and a fun place for arguing and venting. We all should take things with a grain of salt and be more careful about the impressions we form of others.
Having said that, I give you my word that I'm anything at all but arrogant.
Well I hope you enjoy your stay in America however long the duration may be.
I admit to knowing very little about daily life in small Bolivian towns...actually, with regard to Bolivia, I know little more than macro-economic stats and basic demographics.
Thanks for sharing your viewpoint!
GrandeDavid is not arrogant just condescending (another form of pride). Keep preaching bro, among us poor South American azzesWho me? Damn, and here I thought your comprehension of the English language was competent.
Dude, I'm anything BUT arrogant. To begin, I don't think an "arrogant" person would've been so damned apologetic about allegedly offending people from another country, especially when that was not my intention.
This is a fan forum and a fun place for arguing and venting. We all should take things with a grain of salt and be more careful about the impressions we form of others.
Having said that, I give you my word that I'm anything at all but arrogant.
The more u talk...
I live in Arcos too. Near Barrancas de Belgrano.
having lived in DC, SF, Chicago, Santiago Chile, Buenos Aires Arg, and Beijing China, by far the most dangerous places were the US cities, even though they are considerably smaller.
GrandeDavid you argue that skewed income is a cause for crime in developing countries particularly south america, yet the US is right there in the top 10. why isn't that a cause of crime in the US?
bottom line, crime is a constant anywhere but it does not have a constant probability. I've been mugged in Hiroshima, but had no problems in a Saigon house, despite what logic would tell you. Big countries like Brazil and the US, you can't make generalizations about that kind of stuff.
I do think it is true however, that if you are kidnapped in the states, it is probably a sociopath intent on killing you, whereas if you are kidnapped in South America, it is probably a professional criminal intent on collecting the ransom. there is a significant difference
finally, i feel that most places on earth are pretty safe, but the media and politicians need issues and stories and what better than crime stories. I was living in SF when that woman got killed by her neighbors dogs, and for the next year the media had you convinced that drug dealing white supremacists had attack dogs waiting to eat you at every corner. much the same has happened with the kidnapping phenomenon in South America- yes, it happens, but it is not nearly as widespread as the media would have you believe.
Too bad I don't live my life through this forum, because if so I would've been able too answer to all your countless posts grandedavid. Im not going to say you're a moron because I don't agree with you. All I wanted to say is that Argentina is not a jungle as many americans think and bad things also happen in the US. The people who say manu's familiy should consider moving to the US should've said they should consider moving to Finland or Sweden, countries where you are really safe.
I guess you're a grown up man, but just as an advice i'd like to tell you you shouldnt pay too much attention to the infinitesimal amount of news you get about argentina in the US because, generally, the really bad news get shown in the US.
Finally, about football (soccer) Brazil >>>> Argentina but Maradona >>>> Pele.
I think it was Arcos + Echeverria. The supermarket across the street I think is called Disco.
ah I think there is an empanadas place in that corner or close by. They were soooo good. try 'em when ure there.
Last edited by nkdlunch; 07-06-2005 at 01:47 PM.
Can you please directly quote the post that pissed you off? I'm curious to know which post you were offended by, cause I don't remember reading such post. thanks
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