It wouldn't be too smart to trade a good, athletic center, who is willing to do whatever the team wants, for a small forward who wouldn't get time behind a productive bench player. Put me in the camp of Mohammed defenders. What do people expect when facing a team with tremendous post defense? Duncan's fg% numbers should serve to show how tough it was down there.
Yes, Nazr pump-faked his shot into oblivion too many times and it was very frustrating to see him bobble so many dump-passes out of bounds, but he will be highly productive next year, and was a great help throughout the playoffs, all without really knowing the team's schematics.
We'll be blessed next year for having two solid centers who are selfless and bring different strengths to bear on the post. Horry makes Marshall superfluous. I'd rather resign Big Dog, all things equal.
I like Donyell. He could fit in well as a Spur. Very efficient offensive player who can score in limited minutes. Hits the three and is just a solid scorer in general. Would make an awesome 6th man. But he is getting old, and who knows if he can play like he did the past 3 seasons?
You don't give me credit for this idea. You just look at the Garnett idea that nobody will agree with.
Don Harris on the news tonight brought up a Donyell Marshall for Rasho Nesterovic deal. If that is on the table, I'm sure it'd be much easier to swallow for Spurs fans. I'd hate to see Rasho go and lose his size, but Marshall is a talent that fits the Spurs.
Two questions:
1) Do you do that trade?
2) Do you think a bigman rotation of Mohammed, Duncan, Horry, Marshall and Scola is good or could that be too many players fighting for the same minutes?
if it were me, i still dont do that trade. you can get a quality SF for rasho and his contract. (even for nazr and his ending one) and the fight for mins would even be worse than keeping 2 starting quality centers.
but if horry or duncan have to sit out any length of the regular season, marshall would be a good scoring option to have.
I don't like the fact that we are trading muli year contracts without addressing our SF needs. Do the raps have a SF they can throw in?
Maybe we could get them to throw in Roko Ukic?
I really really hate this trade idea. Until the Detroit series Mohammed was huge for this team. Against Phoenix he was always good for some early buckets. He had some big games for us in this run.
I like my team's big men to play like big men. Post defense and rebounding are vital. It was one of the reasons I was so against moving Rose initially - I didn't think Horry could play like he did in the playoffs, and I don't like bigs on the perimeter when this team needs every possession it can get off the glass. Rob's pretty unique in that his ability to make the most important of plays overshadows his weaknesses by far, but Marshall is no Horry. Plus, why do we need two players who are so similar?
I think this Spurs team would be too soft with Marshall subs uted for Mohammed. Maybe I'm the only one, but I'm not penciling in Scola as anything more than an 8th or 9th man yet. I don't want to give up a proven performer and have to rely on someone who hasn't done it yet. Plus, I don't want Scola to have the pressure of needing the be the team's #2 big right away. Bring him along slowly. If he busts out of the gates great, but if not the Spurs haven't gambled anything.
It think it is good to have one big who can hit 3's and the other big to be in the paint offensively. That is why Shaq and Horry was effective.
It could be good but i'm not sure. If we did try to get Marshall, we would have to have either Nazr or Rasho. So trade one of them and keep one of them.
Also, I don't see his contract approaching anything near $70 million. For example, what's a good base salary? I think he could pull $7.5-$8 million base at best. The most any other team could offer him is 5 years, $54.8 million (at a base salary of $8 million).
If this was 99-00 I'd be scared, but after teams saw what Miami did to themselves paying huge money to good role players I don't see them just throwing that kind of money around. Perhaps the new luxury tax rules will bring spending back up (we've seen Redd get offered max), but I doubt we'll ever see anything like the 99-00 offseason again.
The new CBA made locking Mohammed up long-term a lot more attractive to the Spurs. If Manu couldn't wrestle a 7th year out of the Spurs I don't see how Nazr could get a 6th.
Rasho for Marshall would make sense now.
Manu couldn't get a seventh year.
For a good center on the open market, that is the hottest commodity. I think re-signing Nazr starts at $60M, IMO. If they can get him for cheaper, they should lock him up now.Also, I don't see his contract approaching anything near $70 million. For example, what's a good base salary? I think he could pull $7.5-$8 million base at best. The most any other team could offer him is 5 years, $54.8 million (at a base salary of $8 million).
With the Hawks throwing a contract starting at $10M at Zydrunas Ilgauskas, that shows it's tough to judge a center's value in today's world.
Trade Nazr to the Grizzlies for Shane Battier. Then Sign Scola and Oberto with the MLE.
C - Rasho, Timmy, Oberto
PF - Timmy, Rob, Scola, Oberto
SF - Bruce, Battier, Brown
SG - Manu, Brent, Brown
PG - TP, Beno, Brent
Rasho sucks as a starting center. That would hurt the center position big time. No thanks.
Spurs were on their way to breaking the record for biggest margin of vicotry per game when Rasho was starting.
Yeah but they got exploited in the playoffs against the Lakers due to Rasho not able to being a offensive force or a rebounder. The spurs went equally cold.
Marshall> Rasho or Nazr
I can't even believe that is being seriously debated in this thread...
Not only is he a better scorer and rebounder than both of them...he's a better shotblocker than Nazr...and he can play SF all day long in this league and create mismatches...
Of course you do the trade, for either of them...You also might consider throwing in Scola and trying to pry a draft pick out of them(they do seem to have a stupid Front office, so why not try and get their lottery pick, even if it means giving up Beno and or Scola).
AHF needs to get off Nazr's jock as well...if you took away the 3 shots per game that get blocked back into Nazr's face he probably only averages a half an offensive rebound per game...and no I am not joking.
Marshall is a far superior player to either of our Centers, he can play the 3 and the 4 and he can dominate a game at the 3 postion...
Of course you do the trade.
Mohammad will be better than Marshall but Nesterovic sucks so Nesterovic trade would be great.
Also...I don't feel threatened by the Nets...#1. Any player that is too stupid to realize that Kidd is going into toilet, I don't want on this team...
#2. The Nets have nothing to offer the Raptors that they are willing to give up...if they did they would have given it to them in the VC trade.
I'd like to see the Nets have some purpose in the NBA other than sucking ass and screwing up the Spurs plans...
The Nets need to realize that they suck ass as badly as it can be sucked and stop trying to pick up name FA...they aren't an elite team or big time player, they aren't going to win with Kidd...they are mediocrity personified and they need to know their ing role and stay out of the way.
while you're at it... trade them bruce... cause thats the only way he sees playing time, let alone playing time at the 3. you might be thinking of the marshall people saw 3 years ago with utah, this one is alot older.
I think he is seeing the Marshall that can give you minutes at the 4 and 3. The one who is 6'9" and can shoot from anywhere on the floor.
yeah, well i hope you see robert horry? and if they do bring in scola, i'd much rather have a 25 year old backup to my 35 year old #2 bigman.
Uh no...I am thinking of the one that destroyed us in the third quarter up in Toronto earlier this seaso...the one that shot over 40% from 3, scored 12 PPG and pulled down 6 boards while nearly averaging a block and a steal per game, all in about 25 mpg....
I am thinking of the same one Pop is thinking of....
There are plenty of minutes for Donyell Marshall on this team...Bowen is in line for a minutes reduction anyway...the guy is 34 years old...
Horry is gonna average about 15 MPG
Duncan about 35
Our C, whoever it is, about 25 MPG(or less, not more).
That's 21 MPG available right there... that have nothing to do with Bowen, since Marshall can play PF as well.
He really averaged 10.3 rebounds. Still 6 rebounds in 22 minutes, with Tim grabbing so many, and against the Detroit backcourt, that's pretty good in my book. The problem in the finals was Ben and McDyess both scoring 10+ points on +50% FG%. (Horry deserves some blame for that aswell).
I think chances of Nazr staying a Spur are slim. Either he won't be good enough to start in front of Rasho, or he'll start but then command more money than the Spurs will be willing to pay, so trading him now when his stock his high and when he still has value for the Spurs is an option. I wouldn't do it for another PF though. With Marshall you will have Horry, Scola and him, 3 players who can never play center, so to go with that line up it would pretty much nessesitate Duncan moving to center full time. That's the only way you could divide minutes among those 3 players. But then if you did that, Rasho would only get minutes behind Duncan, and again, would probably cost too much to play 15 minutes a game (and close to zero come playoffs). I would only consider trading Nazr for a small forward. Unless you trade the rights to Scola for the SF...
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