Golden State Warriors STARTERS MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OREB DREB REB AST STL BLK TO PF +/- PTS David Lee, PF 39 6-14 0-0 7-7 0 7 7 3 0 0 1 2 -4 19 Harrison Barnes, SF 39 6-12 1-2 1-2 1 3 4 0 1 0 1 0 -7 14 Jermaine O'Neal, C 26 9-12 0-0 0-0 2 6 8 0 0 0 2 3 -4 18 Stephen Curry, PG 42 7-20
2-5 0-0 1 7 8 9 3 1 2 2 -2 16 Klay Thompson, SG 43 8-18 3-6 3-6 2 3 5 8 1 1 4 1 -2 22 BENCH MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OREB DREB REB AST STL BLK TO PF +/- PTS Marreese Speights, PF 11 2-3 0-0 2-2 2 1 3 1 0 1 0 3 +1 6 Draymond Green, SF 24 2-6 1-4 2-4 1 1 2 3 3 3 0 1 +12 7 Nemanja Nedovic, PG 13 0-2 0-1 0-0 0 2 2 1 0 0 0 2 +8 0 Kent Bazemore, SG 3 0-1 0-1 0-0 0 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 +3 0 Andre Iguodala, SF DNP LEFT HAMSTRING STRAIN Dewayne Dedmon, C DNP COACH'S DECISION Andrew Bogut, C DNP SUSPENDED BY LEAGUE TOTALS FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OREB DREB REB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS 40-88 7-19 15-21 9 32 41 25 8 6 10 14 102 45.5% 36.8% 71.4% Fast break points: 12
Points in the paint: 48
Total Team Turnovers (Points off turnovers): 10 (12)
Chucker doing what chuckers do.
Of course, no one notices it until he has a good showing then all the little nut suckers will run in posting about how great Curry is.
He had 16 points, 9 Assists, 8 Rebounds, 3 Steals and 1 Block in a close win. Yes he shot 7-20 which is rough, but I don't see how that is "chucking". Him and David Lee are the big guns on that Dubs team, and either of them taking 20 shots is normal imho. I don't understand the grudge you have for this kid.
Instead of using a one game sample, look at his previous games as well. He took 9 threes and hit only 2 of them in the previous game. He went 8 for 21. Meanwhile, Klay goes 10-13 and shoots 50% from beyond the arc.
The assists shows that there's not a lot of ball movement on that team. It's one pass and a shot, or just a shot. The reason the Spurs don't have a single player with a high number of assists per game is because they move the ball around and the assist just happens to go to the last guy who passed to the best shot option. It's not like Curry is creating opportunities for his team.
So yeah, that is chucking, to take 20 shots when you're shooting poorly and you have better options. If you look at the play by play for either game, you'll see some 30ft shot attempts, plenty around 27 feet as well. No legit team plan includes passing to a guy 30 feet from the basket for a shot. That's a chuck shot. Dude is in constant heat check.
This was earlier in the season. This is a good box score. He scores 25 on just 10 attempts. That's because he gets to the line 9 times. That means he's not settling for outside shots. Klay is usually efficient self. Curry should find teammates more often and take shots when they are the best option. Obviously he thinks he can hit everything he shoots. Obviously he can't. When RW does it, we call him a chucker because he's got Durant as an option. Curry has options as well.
Golden State Warriors STARTERS MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OREB DREB REB AST STL BLK TO PF +/- PTS David Lee, PF 27 6-10 0-0 5-6 2 7 9 2 0 0 1 1 +31 17 Andre Iguodala, SF 32 2-6 2-3 2-2 1 2 3 11 2 0 3 2 +26 8 Andrew Bogut, C 24 4-7 0-0 0-0 2 7 9 1 1 2 4 3 +26 8 Stephen Curry, PG 29 7-10 2-4 9-9 1 1 2 8 1 0 2 4 +20 25 Klay Thompson, SG 27 6-9 2-4 0-0 0 2 2 3 0 0 0 2 +17 14 BENCH MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OREB DREB REB AST STL BLK TO PF +/- PTS Marreese Speights, PF 14 1-3 0-0 0-0 2 2 4 0 0 0 1 0 -9 2 Harrison Barnes, SF 26 4-8 0-1 0-2 0 3 3 1 0 0 3 3 +1 8 Draymond Green, SF 18 2-3 1-2 0-0 0 3 3 2 1 0 1 1 -8 5 Jermaine O'Neal, C 23 7-8 0-0 3-5 2 4 6 0 0 0 4 5 -10 17 Ognjen Kuzmic, C 5 1-2 0-0 0-0 0 1 1 0 0 1 0 1 +2 2 Nemanja Nedovic, PG 6 1-2 0-1 2-2 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 4 Kent Bazemore, SG 9 1-2 1-1 0-0 0 1 1 0 0 0 3 3 -6 3 Toney Douglas, PG DNP COACH'S DECISION TOTALS FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OREB DREB REB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS 42-70 8-16 21-26 10 33 43 28 5 3 23 25 113
The "chucker" is averaging 20 pg on 16 shots with 9 assists per game for the season.
20 ppg on 16 shots is not efficient.The "chucker" is averaging 20 pg on 16 shots with 9 assists per game for the season.
It's clearly not a "chucker" either.
KD is the best scorer in the league, so naturally, every bad shot by RW is a missed opportunity for Durant. Klay is a good scorer, but is still at his best when he is a catch and shoot guy. If there's no help, its Steph's job to score until they start helping, at which point he starts passing. His assist numbers this year are pretty good so far
it depends. if you are kirby and shoot 6-16 but get 9 free throws its one story. if you are curry and are averaging only 3 FT per game, then getting 20 on 16 shots isn't bad.
So because a player scores points even on inefficient shooting, he cannot be a chucker.The "chucker" is averaging 20 pg on 16 shots with 9 assists per game for the season.
Since when "inefficient scoring" = "chucking"? I guess Duncan is a chucker now.
Either way, 20 ppg on 16 shots is far from "inefficient".
Durant's 3pt% isn't that great, 37%. It's certainly worse than Klay's. Klay is shooting 51% from the floor, and 48% from 3. Curry is shooting almost 7 percentage points lower at 41%. That's a much larger difference than the 37% vs 31% between RW and KD especially if you consider the point difference between shooing 48% and shooting 37%.
Kobe's FG% last season was 46%, his 3pt shooting percentage was low however that effects his FGA since a 3 is still a FGA. Right now Curry is at 43% from the field, 41% from 3.
Granted, last season Curry had a higher FG% and Klay a lower one, but chuckers don't know how to adjust, they just chuck. That's evident by how Curry still takes the most FGA even though the efficiency is elsewhere.
The efficiency is there because curry draws the attention. His career high in assist average is telling me that he adjusts just fine. Klay's ability to create for himself is humorous compared to Durants, so please don't compare the 2. Klay is efficient because curry gets him efficient looks. If steph just defers to klay as much as you suggest, the efficiency will no longer be there
Create for himself? That's what the PG is for, to create for others. If someone is going to take a 27' shot, shouldn't it be the guy who's shooting almost 50% instead of the guy shooting just above 40? You speak as if the Warriors system is tweaked to it's maximum, as if Curry makes the right plays all the time, as if you know Klay's efficiency would suffer he had more shot attempts. That means Curry knows Klay's efficiency better than Klay does. That doesn't make sense.
Just look at their box scores.
Curry needs to pick his spots on when to score and when to dish. He understands where/when Klay needs the ball. If Klay's defender isn't helping/cheating off of him, and Curry defers to Klay, Steph knows that Klay is less effective/efficient. Rather, Curry will take those opportunities to shoot/score against 1 on 1 defense. When the defense needs to adjust, Klay will get good shots, and Curry has been finding him. Klay's efficiency is there because he is getting high quality shots. Those high quality shots aren't going to be available on every possession.
This differs from OKC because Durant is quite efficient at getting his own shot.
And he's shooting 37% from 3. Klay is shooting 48%.
based on my logic, if Curry tried to inflate Klay's volume of shots, the efficiency would not be as gaudy. Curry is having a poor start to his shooting year, by his own standards. I'll grant you that. It's not as though his shot selection is much different than last year, so its reasonable to believe he will get it north of 40. You can't assume that Klay's efficiency will remain that high if he is fed more attempts. That's like saying Danny Green should shoot a 3 on every spurs possession. Rather, Green will get looks when doubled off of. Obviously Klay has more offensive game than Green, but you can see where I'm coming from.
but you don't mind saying that curry should shoot on every possession.
Just watch, someone will post his stats from tonight's loss and say "oh yeah, shooting like that and he's a chucker?" though they dismissed his abysmal games with the wave of a virtual hand.
i never said anything remotely close to that
he's had a bad shooting start to this season for sure, but based on his career figures, he's not an inefficient offensive player
Tim Duncan has had bad shooting to start the season. You don't see Tim trying 20 shots from the top of the key just because he hit there from last year. If you watch Curry play and you see him taking those shots just beyond the half court circle where he stutter steps and shoots, you have to ask yourself how this is ever going to win a ring. At some point his shot selection has to narrow to high percentage shots, and saying he can hit those doesn't make them suddenly high percentage shots.
During the playoffs he shot 39% from 3. He took the most 3's of anyone in the playoffs. Klay shot 42% and took about half as many. You can say that more shots equates to a lower percentage, but then you throw that out with Curry, thinking he should shoot more or that him taking 2x the shots that the next highest attempts on his team took even though he was shooting a lower percentage was a good idea because he can get hot quick. That's Kobe-like. Take shots, lots of them. Kobe's FG% isn't that bad for his career, should we justify his chucking with it?
lol son you are the definition of a box score watcher
klay shoots 48% from 3 because he gets wide open looks from the attention that curry draws from being an alpha scorer. if curry suddenly starts deferring to klay and gives him the ball without first looking for his own, the defense doesnt have to adjust and klay's gonna have his defender's full attention. he is decent, but not great at creating his own shot -> lower FG and 3FG %'s if he isn't being spoonfed open looks by curry and defenders arent scrambling to help on curry's drives and shots
This has been addressed. Try to keep up.
Steph and Klay did some strong work in the 4th vs the Raptors today.
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