Warriors: LOL Stephen "I Wanna Be Kobe" Curry

[Killakobe81]

This. And you cant just look at the numbers. if you watch him ...DPG is right he takes a couple "Heat chucks" a game.
But they are winning. He has a green light and he is still creating for his team-mates. of course his assists are a bit inflated due to their pace.
But I doubt any of his team-mates feel they are not getting enough touches except Barnes, which Iggy is more to blame since he would be starting otherwise ...
I liked him as a player (college/pro) and a commentator but their failings to me fall on their coach more than Steph.

I meant DMC is right at least to an extent ...

[Killakobe81]

1. No where did I ever use or infer the term "uncommon".
2. I did not infer that having high assists stagnates the offense. I said "do you not understand HOW a person with a lot of assists CAN stagnate the offense?"

When one person gets a ton of assists, that can be because there's only one pass ever made from the PG before the shot. If that same person registers 25FGA in a game, you can (should) develop a picture that the ball was stagnant between the PG and whatever his 2nd option was, and those assists are often because that 2nd option had a decent night or the PG over penetrated and had to kick out or dump off to another player beneath the basket (wrap around).

Imagine the ball moves around the horn. What's the odds the best shot option is going to come from the PG's pass? Ball movement dictates that the cutter often gets the ball, or that the defense is pulled around leaving someone open in the corner. Curry instead likes to run the high screen, and if a defender shows on him, he dumps it off. That's not ball movement, that's a bail out.

So stop changing my words so you can find something easier to disagree with. I've not inferred anything I haven't said.

I agree that assists numbers can be misleading. To me a guy that hogs any stat scoring, assists or boards at the expense of focus on team can be detrimental. Rodman to me was a rebound who lost his focus on defense to wholly focus on boards later in his Bulls career. Rondo did the same with assists and started a rift with Ray who hated his ball hoarding. Moses used to toss up shots at the rim to pad board numbers ...none of that places winning first by themselves and that is why watching the game and not boxscore hunting is more important to evaluating players. Numbers do lie.

Chucking gets the negative play on here but there are plenty of selfishness on NBA rosters that is why the spurs are so refreshing to watch from a pure hoops perspective. Heat as well to a lessor degree but make up for it more talent and athleticism.

[DMC]

you never used the term uncommon. it is possible to make a new point without necessarily trying to refute yours directly. i didn't change any of your words, nor did i false quote you for anything. instead of trying to find grammatical loopholes in my arguments (as you have done for a couple of pages on this thread) why don't you try to actually argue the points. you said a person with a lot of assists can stagnate the offense. i brought up a counterexample, and implied that Curry fits under that category

I didn't mention grammar, and the semantics issue is relevant because you're arguing against words I didn't use.

A person with a lot of assists can stagnate the offense. That doesn't mean the same thing as saying "having a lot of assists leads to stagnant offenses". Instead, I am saying the two are not mutually exclusive: you can have a lot of assists and have a stagnant offense depending on how you get those assists. I've explained the rest. Just alter my phrases and argue against those strawmen. Have fun with that.

[DMC]

The bulk of the nay saying can be boiled down to:

Sure he's a chucker, but I'm ok with it because they are winning.

or

Sure he's a chucker, but he's an efficient chucker sometimes.

[DMC]

Golden State Warriors
STARTERS	MIN	FGM-A	3PM-A	FTM-A	OREB	DREB	REB	AST	STL	BLK	TO	PF	+/-	PTS
David Lee, PF	35	10-12	0-0	2-2	6	12	18	2	0	1	2	5	+17	22
Andre Iguodala, SF	29	3-3	3-3	2-4	0	7	7	5	0	0	0	2	+15	11
Andrew Bogut, C	24	4-6	0-0	0-0	3	9	12	3	0	1	3	2	+10	8
Stephen Curry, PG	36	5-18	2-11	3-4	0	0	0	6	1	0	7	2	+11	15
Klay Thompson, SG	26	6-18	1-6	2-4	1	1	2	0	0	0	1	4	+17	15
BENCH	MIN	FGM-A	3PM-A	FTM-A	OREB	DREB	REB	AST	STL	BLK	TO	PF	+/-	PTS
Marreese Speights, PF	15	1-5	0-2	3-4	1	2	3	0	0	1	1	3	+5	5
Harrison Barnes, SF	26	2-6	2-3	0-0	0	4	4	2	1	0	1	1	-3	6
Draymond Green, SF	20	2-6	0-1	0-0	0	3	3	1	2	0	1	0	+9	4
Ognjen Kuzmic, C	2	0-0	0-0	1-2	3	0	3	1	0	0	0	0	+1	1
Toney Douglas, PG	12	3-6	2-5	0-0	0	1	1	0	0	0	0	2	+10	8
Kent Bazemore, SG	14	3-4	0-1	0-0	1	0	1	1	1	1	1	1	+13	6
Jermaine O'Neal, C	DNP RIGHT WRIST SURGERY
TOTALS		FGM-A	3PM-A	FTM-A	OREB	DREB	REB	AST	STL	BLK	TO	PF		PTS
		39-84	10-32	13-20	15	39	54	21	5	4	17	22		101
		46.4%	31.3%	65.0%

[spurraider21]

your primary rebuttals to anything i have said over the 19 page life of this thread have been semantics and grammar. cool.

[DMC]

your primary rebuttals to anything i have said over the 19 page life of this thread have been semantics and grammar. cool.

You argue like a teenage girl, thinking you can use place holder words and that they will stand up to debate. Clean up your rebuttal if you want to be taken seriously. All you've done is a virtual roll eyes with your responses.

So list your top 10 hottest guys....

[spurraider21]

ad hominem ftw

[DMC]

ad hominem ftw

"I started watching basketball when Tim was drafted"...

[spurraider21]

"I started watching basketball when Tim was drafted"...

let me help you

I would say thanks, tbh. I started watching basketball the year he was drafted, and loved his game/demeanor enough to become a spurfan in Los Angeles

not sure if that's supposed to be some sort of diss . i was about 6 years old at the time

[DMC]

let me help you



not sure if that's supposed to be some sort of diss . i was about 6 years old at the time

If I put all your posts together, there's not a single point to be made in anything you've said.

[DMC]

Golden State Warriors
STARTERS	MIN	FGM-A	3PM-A	FTM-A	OREB	DREB	REB	AST	STL	BLK	TO	PF	+/-	PTS
David Lee, PF	35	10-12	0-0	2-2	6	12	18	2	0	1	2	5	+17	22
Andre Iguodala, SF	29	3-3	3-3	2-4	0	7	7	5	0	0	0	2	+15	11
Andrew Bogut, C	24	4-6	0-0	0-0	3	9	12	3	0	1	3	2	+10	8
Stephen Curry, PG	36	5-18	2-11	3-4	0	0	0	6	1	0	7	2	+11	15
Klay Thompson, SG	26	6-18	1-6	2-4	1	1	2	0	0	0	1	4	+17	15
BENCH	MIN	FGM-A	3PM-A	FTM-A	OREB	DREB	REB	AST	STL	BLK	TO	PF	+/-	PTS
Marreese Speights, PF	15	1-5	0-2	3-4	1	2	3	0	0	1	1	3	+5	5
Harrison Barnes, SF	26	2-6	2-3	0-0	0	4	4	2	1	0	1	1	-3	6
Draymond Green, SF	20	2-6	0-1	0-0	0	3	3	1	2	0	1	0	+9	4
Ognjen Kuzmic, C	2	0-0	0-0	1-2	3	0	3	1	0	0	0	0	+1	1
Toney Douglas, PG	12	3-6	2-5	0-0	0	1	1	0	0	0	0	2	+10	8
Kent Bazemore, SG	14	3-4	0-1	0-0	1	0	1	1	1	1	1	1	+13	6
Jermaine O'Neal, C	DNP RIGHT WRIST SURGERY
TOTALS		FGM-A	3PM-A	FTM-A	OREB	DREB	REB	AST	STL	BLK	TO	PF		PTS
		39-84	10-32	13-20	15	39	54	21	5	4	17	22		101
		46.4%	31.3%	65.0%

If I put all your posts together, there's not a single point to be made in anything you've said.

[spurraider21]

The only arguments coming from casual observing box score watchers is when Curry has a good night.

and yet all you do is copy-paste the box scores after his bad nights

[DMC]

and yet all you do is copy-paste the box scores after his bad nights

I've copied and pasted his good and bad nights for discussion purposes. So why do you think he took 11 3s? Is 11 just about right, because you said 16 was too many.

[spurraider21]

i didn't watch tonight's game, so i can't really comment on the looks he got. his numbers look ty. 5-18 is never a good thing and he had a lot of turnovers

[DMC]

i didn't watch tonight's game, so i can't really comment on the looks he got. his numbers look ty. 5-18 is never a good thing and he had a lot of turnovers

But they won... so whatever Curry does must be helping that, keep doing it, right? That's all that matters.

[spurraider21]

But they won... so whatever Curry does must be helping that, keep doing it, right? That's all that matters.

If you say so. After all, you claim to watch every warriors game, so you'd know better than I do on this one

[DMC]

If you say so. After all, you claim to watch every warriors game, so you'd know better than I do on this one

"it's not as uncommon as you make it out to be."

This is you telling me I make it out to be uncommon.

"you never used the term uncommon. it is possible to make a new point without necessarily trying to refute yours directly"

Here you're trying to defend your invention of a strawman by claiming you're making a new point instead of saying I was "making it out to be uncommon".

You've done this sort of thing over and over. Meanwhile I've shown you stats and game analysis to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Curry is a chucker. You only puff up your chest when he has a good shooting night, even if you didn't see the game, but you say you don't know if he took too many 3s or not (2-11) because you didn't see the game. Basically, if he hits the shot, regardless when or how it comes, it was a good shot selection.

You're a child.

[spurraider21]

what does that have to do with the quote or the bolded segment?

anywho, you bring up this thread after Curry's poor nights in the same manner that you claim I puff my chest out after his good nights. you resort to stupid semantics/grammatical corrections as an argumentative method, or stupid ad hominem arguments, such as where you claimed i'm a kobe lover

i don't watch every Warriors game, nor do I pretend to. heck, i don't even watch every spurs game. are there night's where curry takes too many heat chucks? surely. you also need to understand that his game is predicated on his shooting ability more than his driving ability such as a tony parker. he is not a great finisher in the paint. he is a ridiculous outside shooter, and uses THAT aspect of his game to pose a threat and use that defense's reactions to create for teammates, as evidenced by his high assist totals next to his FGA numbers.

[RD2191]

Damn, I never noticed how ty of a player Curry really is. His FG % is ing terrible. Lol @ people saying this clown is a better PG than TP.

[spurraider21]

Damn, I never noticed how ty of a player Curry really is. His FG % is ing terrible. Lol @ people saying this clown is a better PG than TP.

few people on this forum would argue that Curry is better than Parker. Parker hasn't exactly been on his a-game this year, but he's still the guy you'd rather have in a playoff game

[DMC]

Your rapid fire style of response indicates you're both agitated and not even reading what I am writing. You have an unhealthy, unwarranted fetish for Curry. Maybe you're Indian, maybe he suits your tastes because he's a hero baller. You do seem to like hero ballers. You've been defending Curry from the first page, when you were naive about his celebrations, and when shown the light, you downplayed it as a normal celebration.

Arguing with confirmation bias is a waste of time. He's a chucker. Just accept that and move on. You've not provided anything to counter it, you just nay say. You're like a mosquito.

What about the OP is incorrect? What about the thread le is incorrect? Any and all of your excuses can be used for Kobe as well.

1. No other options (Kobe's mentality)
2. Best shooter on the floor (Kobe thinks this as well)
3. Hits shots that most people should not even take (yep, Kobe again)
4. Has a track record of hitting difficult shots (again.. Kobe)


What you ignore:

1. Team's success rests on his luck on otherwise ill advised shots
2. Coach encourages it until it doesn't work
3. He has other options
4. He plays no defense
5. He stagnates the offense as 4 others stand around waiting for him to shoot

That's Kobe to the letter.

[DMC]

Watching Curry tonight, he's either shooting or turning it over. He's hit some difficult looks, but his passes are soft and telegraphed. He's not looking for teammates unless he's doubled, and then he lobs out of it and it's picked off. There's been half a dozen times his pass has been tipped and not intercepted.

[DMC]

lol he just did it again twice... long 3's both missed with the game tied 2.5m in the 4th. No one else touched the ball either time.

[Venti Quattro]

lol he just did it again twice... long 3's both missed with the game tied 2.5m in the 4th. No one else touched the ball either time.

10-23 FG, 2-9 3FG 7 AST and 6 TO ......... oh boy you're gonna have a field day