still trying to save face
when i mentioned their new coach and improvements you tried to all over that take, now you're adopting it
while david lee has his drawbacks on the other end, once he is healthy he will only improve their egalitarian style of play. kerr brings some triangle elements to the table and they will run a significant portion of their offense through Lee and Bogut, both of whom are very good passers
Too soon to tell, that's why I said "for now". I am only looking at Steph's performance, not the team's.
You gave ty reasons for why Kerr makes a difference (i.e. "He's not Mark Jackson").
Doesn't make them a threat (which you said they were).
Which is 100x more than "he's not Mark Jackson". Vinny D isn't Mark Jackson either, but we know how that would go. Kerr hasn't proven anything, so the "so far so good" is just a note, not a prediction.while david lee has his drawbacks on the other end, once he is healthy he will only improve their egalitarian style of play. kerr brings some triangle elements to the table and they will run a significant portion of their offense through Lee and Bogut, both of whom are very good passers
why are you acting like "he's not mark jackson" is the only thing i said? just because your memory fades with age and that's all you remember... doesn't make it true
"differences in the sets" doesn't specify anything either and I addressed that. You said Kerr was a better coach and said you'd seen the signs, yet over half the signs were not signs at all, just attributes everyone is aware of. Neither he nor Jackson has ever been a head coach in the NBA. He wasn't a ball dominant PG because he didn't have the ability to be. He believes in defense but that doesn't mean he can convince the team to believe in it as well.
Like I said, we'll see. Steph has to buy in to him not being the savior of the franchise. His green light needs to have a caveat of ball movement and open looks, not just hand down man down.
"difference in sets" is huge. did you want me to get into the x's and o's of what was different in their sets? more high post action from bogut, thompson handling the ball more to allow Curry to come off screens, less isolation opportunities, etc. among the biggest ways you can change an offense is to run different sets.
a coach's playing history can always have an effect on their coaching style as well. marc jackson was a ball dominant point guard. he was fine being part of a stagnant offense where he'd just back his man down to set up a play. isolation is what he knew and is what he taught. D'Antoni's offense is influenced by his playing days. its reasonable to assume that Kerr will bring his own experiences to the table.
i dont remember saying "he believes in defense" or anything along those lines.
Since every coach runs different sets, it means nothing without saying how those sets make a difference. Don't need x's and o's to illustration how "fewer isolation plays" or "no 30' heaves" changes the game. You seemed to do just fine after the x's and o's comment without using either.
Reasonable sure, but sign? I can rationalize what might happen, but that doesn't make it a sign.a coach's playing history can always have an effect on their coaching style as well. marc jackson was a ball dominant point guard. he was fine being part of a stagnant offense where he'd just back his man down to set up a play. isolation is what he knew and is what he taught. D'Antoni's offense is influenced by his playing days. its reasonable to assume that Kerr will bring his own experiences to the table.
No, I said it. Steve is a defensive minded guy, can't play a lick of it, but he preaches it. I believe most NBA coaches could win if the team believed in what they were selling, but the problem is a pre-built team that's had relative success has a hard time changing everything up just because the bungee cord coach dropped in and might soon be headed back out. You see it all the time, and few coaches make a real difference though they appear to early on.i dont remember saying "he believes in defense" or anything along those lines.
bogut, thompson, iguodala are all above average defenders. draymond green actually did a solid job on blake in the playoffs despite being undersized. Curry isn't a great defender, but he's not a big liability. he's similar to tony parker as far as effectiveness on that end, though Curry does usually pick up steals at least. i don't think it will take much for a team with good defense talent to become "sold" on playing defense.
the "sign" i was referring to was what i had seen in preseason play, as far as the offense they were running
Solid individual defenders don't necessarily equate to solid team defense. You have to still be willing to get back on defense, know your rotations and all that esoteric that happens during inbounds and jump balls and all that . It's not as cut and dry as individual defenders making the team a great defensive team, but it helps.
That you didn't specify.the "sign" i was referring to was what i had seen in preseason play, as far as the offense they were running
Plus, remember how Mark was heralded as making a huge improvement in the team in his first season? Warriors are 2nd round material, it shouldn't be notable that they win a few RS games. What's notable is how they do it.
yes and no. team defense is very different than a group of individual defenders, but its not frequent that you see players become good individual defenders without committing to that end. you dont typically luck into being a good defender. if you are sold on it enough to be a good defensive player, i dont think translating that into team defense will be a big issue.
Curry currently has 8 turnovers. He's got a lot of points, but also has the lion's share of the assists. That's a regression to Mark Jackson days. Kerr needs to squelch that before it takes hold again. Let's see if he cracks 10 turnovers.
10! lol
Golden State Warriors STARTERS MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OREB DREB REB AST STL BLK TO PF +/- PTS Draymond Green, SF 36 7-14 3-7 5-5 1 8 9 0 1 4 5 5 -11 22 Harrison Barnes, SF 32 4-7 2-3 2-4 1 8 9 0 1 0 1 2 -13 12 Andrew Bogut, C 26 2-6 0-0 0-0 0 8 8 2 2 1 4 4 -4 4 Stephen Curry, PG 34 10-20 4-10 4-4 0 2 2 10 5 0 10 5 -6 28 Leandro Barbosa, SG 31 5-8 2-3 0-0 0 2 2 0 0 1 1 4 -10 12 BENCH MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OREB DREB REB AST STL BLK TO PF +/- PTS Marreese Speights, PF 12 1-4 0-0 2-2 0 1 1 0 0 1 0 0 -7 4 Festus Ezeli, C 10 2-2 0-0 0-0 0 2 2 0 0 0 1 4 -1 4 Ognjen Kuzmic, C 2 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 +2 0 Shaun Livingston, PG 19 1-2 0-0 4-4 0 0 0 2 0 0 2 1 -2 6 Brandon Rush, SG 7 1-2 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 1 +7 2 Andre Iguodala, SG 31 0-4 0-1 1-2 1 2 3 1 0 0 1 0 -15 1 Nemanja Nedovic, PG DNP COACH'S DECISION Justin Holiday, SG DNP COACH'S DECISION TOTALS FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OREB DREB REB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS 33-69 11-24 18-21 3 33 36 16 9 7 26 26 95 47.8% 45.8% 85.7% Fast break points: 4
Points in the paint: 30
Total Team Turnovers (Points off turnovers): 27 (30)
+/- denotes team's net points while the player is on the court.Phoenix Suns STARTERS MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OREB DREB REB AST STL BLK TO PF +/- PTS Markieff Morris, PF 25 4-9 0-2 0-4 0 7 7 0 0 0 6 3 -5 8 Marcus Morris, PF 33 6-14 3-8 2-2 3 6 9 0 0 0 1 4 +15 17 Miles Plumlee, C 35 1-3 0-0 4-4 1 7 8 1 2 0 3 2 +19 6 Eric Bledsoe, PG 22 2-6 0-1 5-6 0 0 0 3 0 0 2 4 -6 9 Goran Dragic, SG 29 8-12 3-3 0-0 0 2 2 3 3 0 1 1 -4 19 BENCH MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OREB DREB REB AST STL BLK TO PF +/- PTS Anthony Tolliver, PF 11 1-2 1-2 0-0 1 1 2 0 0 0 0 1 -4 3 T.J. Warren, SF 1 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -4 0 P.J. Tucker, SF 29 1-6 0-2 0-0 2 3 5 3 2 2 1 1 +24 2 Alex Len, C 8 1-2 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 -6 2 Isaiah Thomas, PG 27 4-13 1-5 13-14 1 2 3 7 1 0 3 1 +16 22 Archie Goodwin, SG 1 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 -4 0 Gerald Green, SG 19 6-12 4-7 3-3 1 2 3 0 1 0 3 0 +19 19 Shavlik Randolph, PF DNP COACH'S DECISION Tyler Ennis, PG DNP COACH'S DECISION Zoran Dragic, SG DNP COACH'S DECISION TOTALS FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OREB DREB REB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS 34-79 12-30 27-33 9 30 39 17 9 2 21 19 107
The moral of the story for tonight's loss: No ball movement. The large majority of assists came from PG passes. Share the ball, share the assists. 10 turnovers says Curry was trying to force the action or go one on one too often, and/or guys were out of position. Kerr has his work cut out for him.
It's too bad Spurraider is banned at the moment, uh?
Isaiah Thomas took a all over Curry in the 4th tonight, tbh..
Giving up 20 points in the 4th quarter is painful. We saw something similar with them against SA when they were up, I think, 16 points and lost in the 4th when Curry's legs got tired but he continued to shoot the team out of contention (Klay helped). Tonight his offense was solid, but man, they really need to protect the ball. He's sloppy.It's too bad Spurraider is banned at the moment, uh?
Isaiah Thomas took a all over Curry in the 4th tonight, tbh..
Dragic 3-3 from long range!
Spurs don't draft losers tbqh.
Golden State Warriors STARTERS MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OREB DREB REB AST STL BLK TO PF +/- PTS Harrison Barnes, SF 39 9-12 1-3 3-4 0 8 8 0 0 1 2 0 -5 22 Draymond Green, SF 32 2-7 1-2 4-4 0 4 4 5 0 1 1 4 -16 9 Andrew Bogut, C 26 2-2 0-0 0-0 0 5 5 5 2 0 2 3 -7 4 Stephen Curry, PG 36 7-18 0-7 2-2 0 6 6 5 0 0 3 2 -18 16 Klay Thompson, SG 40 9-17 5-6 6-6 0 5 5 4 1 0 4 0 -7 29 BENCH MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OREB DREB REB AST STL BLK TO PF +/- PTS Marreese Speights, PF 12 5-5 0-0 1-2 0 2 2 0 0 1 1 3 -1 11 Festus Ezeli, C 10 1-1 0-0 1-2 1 4 5 0 0 1 1 0 -5 3 Shaun Livingston, PG 11 1-3 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 2 +5 2 Brandon Rush, SG 3 0-1 0-1 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -2 0 Leandro Barbosa, SG 10 1-2 0-1 0-0 0 1 1 2 2 0 1 0 -6 2 Andre Iguodala, SG 22 1-2 0-0 0-0 0 2 2 1 0 0 3 2 -3 2 Ognjen Kuzmic, C DNP COACH'S DECISION Justin Holiday, SG DNP COACH'S DECISION TOTALS FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OREB DREB REB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS 38-70 7-20 17-20 1 37 38 23 5 4 19 16 100
Good assist spread, Curry just couldn't hit a 3.
STARTERS MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OREB DREB REB AST STL BLK TO PF +/- PTS Harrison Barnes, SF 23 7-11 3-5 0-0 0 4 4 1 0 0 1 5 +23 17 Draymond Green, SF 29 3-8 1-5 0-0 1 5 6 2 0 0 2 2 +24 7 Andrew Bogut, C 22 6-7 0-0 1-2 2 7 9 2 1 0 2 3 +24 13 Stephen Curry, PG 28 8-15 3-6 0-1 2 3 5 9 1 0 1 3 +23 19 Klay Thompson, SG 27 7-13 4-6 3-3 1 3 4 5 3 1 2 1 +24 21
How about that Klay Thompson kid. He's playing extremely well.
Then the turnover problems are solved, just like that.
decent assist spread, as you said, is a key as well. the rest of the starting lineup combined for 10.
I personally think Draymond Green needs to be traded or just benched. He doesn't fit.
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