Will Manu ever learn?

[Spur|n|Austin]

Worst thread ever

Let's keep it going though

[DAF86]

Obvious Kobe shot. Dude has never been injured and has been aging for a while, yet could play max minutes without getting gassed.

Maybe it's just me, but while having an older team certainly makes sense, it still seems odd that they get so gassed to the point they literally can't do anything despite having the most managed minutes in the history of the game.

When you are used to play 30 minutes per game is normal to be completaly gassed when you have to play 40.

[TJastal]

I'm gonna disagree. IMO, Pop goes on a tirade for giving up an easy layup when you could've sent him to the line.

Abso- in-lutely. Pop would have been on one of his classic screaming and arm flailing benders. And rightly so.

[Spurs and Mavs fan]

The main problem was that the foul gave the Grizzlies the ball after the free throws.

Had Ginobili simply let Allen score 2 points with the layup, the Spurs would have gotten the ball back with a 2-point lead. Then they could hold on to the ball and force the Grizzlies to foul, then shoot FTs.

[carina_gino20]

Another angle:

The way he curls into a fetal position as if he hit his head first is just too precious.

[DJR210]

Describing the .4 game as a Manu mistake shows how ing dumb you are.

Lol, read the posts that led to mine again stupid Lord of the Rings got. I was referring to his mistake of fouling Dirk while up 3 in the WCF.

[mookie2001]

It was a bad foul, you have to be ref aware in that situation. Especially after the turnover they know you're frustrated and trying to get your money's worth.

And yes it was a flagrant. Flop or not, headshot or not. Not every flagrant is a suspendable malicious act, if it was Parker or manu defenseless like that, I'd sure as call for it

[Bill_Brasky]

Just posted this downstairs, this was NOT a foul, and nobody batted an eye, the announcers even said it was good rim protection and a good playoff foul:


But this was just out of line and a flagrant:


GMAFB. Looking at that first clip there's just absolutely no way Manu's foul was even close to flagrant. It was one of the WORST calls in the playoffs this year and we STILL won, so suck on that Memphis gots.

[DarrinS]

You only know CP3 is going to add that Tony Allen move to his repertoire.

[100%duncan]

Gold thread tbh. Lots of old folks getting pwnd then make cricket-like exits.

[Spurs and Mavs fan]

I was referring to his mistake of fouling Dirk while up 3 in the WCF.

To be fair, if it weren't for his 3-pointer just moments before that, the Spurs wouldn't have been leading by 3 points.

It was the WCSF by the way, not WCF.

[ChumpDumper]

I can see how that was called a flagrant even after review. Even discounting the acting job, the contact can be deemed excessive -- and that's all it takes.

[boutons_deux]

I can see how that was called a flagrant even after review. Even discounting the acting job, the contact can be deemed excessive -- and that's all it takes.

so what if Manu wrapped him up and the faker doesn't fall, is that "excessive", being even more contact than just a risk grab?

[DJR210]

To be fair, if it weren't for his 3-pointer just moments before that, the Spurs wouldn't have been leading by 3 points.

It was the WCSF by the way, not WCF.

Thanks for the clarification.

[ChumpDumper]

so what if Manu wrapped him up and the faker doesn't fall, is that "excessive", being even more contact than just a risk grab?

Probably not, since it wouldn't have led to an awkward landing.

[HarlemHeat37]

It's definitely flagrant IMO..

Manu didn't make a play on the ball, and his mistake was that he pulled Allen down(or at least appeared to pull him)..regardless of whether Allen sold it or not, it's still a flagrant, tbh..

I'm indifferent to Manu's decision, tbh..I understand both sides of the argument, but the Spurs won, so it's all good, tbh..

[2centsworth]

I can see how that was called a flagrant even after review. Even discounting the acting job, the contact can be deemed excessive -- and that's all it takes.

Do they not consider intent? Honest question, because it's obvious to me that Manu
is not trying to be excessive

[TJastal]

You only know CP3 is going to add that Tony Allen move to his repertoire.

[ChumpDumper]

Do they not consider intent? Honest question, because it's obvious to me that Manu
is not trying to be excessive

The result -- an upended player -- is probably the bigger factor.

[ChumpDumper]

Gold thread tbh. Lots of old folks getting pwnd then make cricket-like exits.

I think most of them have jobs.

[ceperez]

@ ElNono



This is basically what I was referring to. Either way I'm so fed up with Manu's 30% shooting, poor shot selection, poor FT shooting, and timely errors down the stretch as the icing on the cake. I think he should really stop shooting altogether and focus on creating shots for others. If the layup is there, take it.

We don't even need much of a defensive contribution from him against these guys.

Agree.. lot of bone head plays by Manu lately particularly during crucial plays. He's taking too many risks!

[TJastal]

The result -- an upended player -- is probably the bigger factor.

So every time a player hits the deck its flagrant. If that is the case there would be 5 flagrants/game on Parker alone.

[TJastal]

Do they not consider intent? Honest question, because it's obvious to me that Manu
is not trying to be excessive

They do whether they admit it ir not IMHO. Manu clearly does enough to prevent any chance of Allen making the layup.. and nothing more. Therefore it is not "flagrant".

[ChumpDumper]

So every time a player hits the deck its flagrant. If that is the case there would be 5 flagrants/game on Parker alone.

Nah, Tony usually lands on his feet then slides down on his hip or back. Not upended.

[ChumpDumper]

They do whether they admit it ir not IMHO. Manu clearly does enough to prevent any chance of Allen making the layup.. and nothing more. Therefore it is not "flagrant".

Right, it is flagrant without the air quotes.