Will Manu ever learn?

[ElNono]

You're really going to look at that and say Manu didn't pull him down? Really?

This is a pull down:



ie: not letting the player go up...

BTW, that was called a flagrant too... so maybe wrapping him up wouldn't have mattered either... and FWIW, watching the replay, I don't think Manu was close enough to wrap him...

[roycrikside]

Manu's a smart guy and has played basketball a long time. Being up four and realizing that the only thing you can't afford is a flagrant foul shouldn't take too long to mentally calculate, tbh.

Grabbing a guy's arm, the same arm where he was holding the ball mind you, is not a flagrant. His hand was literally eight inches from the ball. You're being an idiot. It was a terrible ing call and it was a terrible ing job the refs to look at it on replay and still not change it. Once they saw that Allen's head didn't come close to touching the floor they should've changed the call. Just completely ridiculous.

Every coach in the league would tell their guy to just give a hard playoff foul in that spot and make their guy hit two free throws. It was absolutely the right play. If he swung down excessively at the guy's head where it would've been an obvious flagrant that would've been a bad play. If he just lightly brushed him to give up an and-1 Gary Neal style, that would've been a bad play. What Manu did was the right thing, with a BS result.

What the do you know anyway, Mr. "Grizzlies should be overwhelming favorites?"

[Solid D]

I was actually more irritated with Timmy 2 possessions earlier. With 59 seconds remaining protecting a 7 point lead, Timmy tried to tip in a rebound instead of just pulling down the rebound and running more clock with a fresh 24. Timmy just wasn't thinking.

[SA210]

Even the biggest Spurs haters ever, ESPN saying it wasn't a flagrant foul

[2centsworth]

I mean if we have to put up with Manu 2006 decisions can we at least get some Manu 2006 game too? At least he made Splitter look good on offense tonight.

amen to getting some of those games from him. Dude looks almost washed-up

[2centsworth]

I was actually more irritated with Timmy 2 possessions earlier. With 59 seconds remaining protecting a 7 point lead, Timmy tried to tip in a rebound instead of just pulling down the rebound and running more clock with a fresh 24. Timmy just wasn't thinking.

biggest bonehead move IMO.

[ElNono]

He fell head first. That's a flagrant 100 out of 100 times in the regular season, tbh.

True, that was bad acting but that only hurt his case. You pull someone out of the air and make them land head-before-body and you're getting a flagrant.

He fell with both of his hands down, normally, like every human being reacts when you fall. If Manu wouldn't have let go of the arm, then it would definitely a problem.

LJ, tell me this though: If Manu simply lets Allen get an easy layup at that point, how do you think Pop reacts?

[SouthernFried]

Manu could screw up every game from here on out...and he would still be one of the greatest Spurs ever.

Manu has earned total respect for the rest of his life from Spurs fans...even if he does nothing else good. Same goes for Timmy or Tony.

Those three don't have anything to prove to anyone. If they win this year...it's for them. Cuz they don't need to do it for me.

They especially don't have anything to prove to posers like this OP.

[ElNono]

Another angle:

[RD2191]

It was a fukin flagrant so what the fuk ever. Manu the fukin bed. Who cares. At least we won.

[2centsworth]

Manu could screw up every game from here on out...and he would still be one of the greatest Spurs ever.

Manu has earned total respect for the rest of his life from Spurs fans...even if he does nothing else good. Same goes for Timmy or Tony.

Those three don't have anything to prove to anyone. If they win this year...it's for them. Cuz they don't need to do it for me.

They especially don't have anything to prove to posers like this OP.

No bigger complement than to always expect great play from these guys. That's what makes them great.

[SA210]

Whatever, anyway, good foul by Manu. Game is tight to begin with bc Pop wanted to play Bonner ball and piss away the lead. I'll take Duncan's word on Manu.

[timvp]

Grabbing a guy's arm, the same arm where he was holding the ball mind you, is not a flagrant.

Obviously he risked a flagrant -- considering he actually got called for a flagrant. Again, the play is to either not foul him or wrap him up to where there's no chance at a flagrant. You don't even give the refs an opportunity for a judgement call.

But, yeah, you make a guy land head-before-body and you get called for a flagrant nearly 100% of the time. I'd like to see an example of that not being called a flagrant.

[RD2191]

Grabbing a guy's arm, the same arm where he was holding the ball mind you, is not a flagrant. His hand was literally eight inches from the ball. You're being an idiot. It was a terrible ing call and it was a terrible ing job the refs to look at it on replay and still not change it. Once they saw that Allen's head didn't come close to touching the floor they should've changed the call. Just completely ridiculous.

Every coach in the league would tell their guy to just give a hard playoff foul in that spot and make their guy hit two free throws. It was absolutely the right play. If he swung down excessively at the guy's head where it would've been an obvious flagrant that would've been a bad play. If he just lightly brushed him to give up an and-1 Gary Neal style, that would've been a bad play. What Manu did was the right thing, with a BS result.

What the do you know anyway, Mr. "Grizzlies should be overwhelming favorites?"

Tf outta here get, trying to smack talk timvp.

[lefty]

You're really going to look at that and say Manu didn't pull him down? Really?

He did, but it was just good foul


They called a flagrant for the way got fell, not for the foul itself TBH

[timvp]

LJ, tell me this though: If Manu simply lets Allen get an easy layup at that point, how do you think Pop reacts?

Pop commends Manu for the smart decision and then draws up a play to get the ball into the hands of a good free throw shooter.

[DAF86]

The fact that so many people are confronting over this (and trully there seems to be a lot more folks that think it was the right move) says it all, imho. This play wasn't as that Dirk foul or that attempted three in OT against the Warriors in game 1 of the last round.

[ElNono]

Pop commends Manu for the smart decision and then draws up a play to get the ball into the hands of a good free throw shooter.

I'm gonna disagree. IMO, Pop goes on a tirade for giving up an easy layup when you could've sent him to the line.

[DAF86]

Tf outta here get, trying to smack talk timvp.

Oh noes, no timvp.

[Mugen]

man, i never thought I'd see a season where timvp was so off in all his takes.

if that's Allen fouling Manu in Memphis, there's no ing way that's called a flagrant.

[DPG21920]

I would not be at all surprised if Allen is fined for flopping and the flagrant is downgraded.

[timvp]

I'm gonna disagree. IMO, Pop goes on a tirade for giving up an easy layup when you could've sent him to the line.

Giving up an open layup there is fine. It's not like he's a terrible free throw shooter.

Manu gives up the layup, the Spurs are up two with ~26 seconds to go, Grizzlies are forced to foul. Nothing to be mad about, tbh.

[DJR210]

For those saying Manu did the right thing by going for the foul, I agree, but at the same time it looks like most of you are giving Manu a pass on the mistake that led to Allen getting a clear path to a layup.. Manu has made some HUGE mistakes this postseason, and a good amount of them have been down the stretch.

[DJR210]

I would not be at all surprised if Allen is fined for flopping and the flagrant is downgraded.

Not sure this classifies as a flop though..

[timvp]

if that's Allen fouling Manu in Memphis, there's no ing way that's called a flagrant.

If Manu gets fouled like that he does a legitimately great flop and gets Allen served up with a flagrant 2 ejection. Manu maybe turns that into a suspension,tbh. Allen's flop was so terrible he almost cost himself a flagrant