Not sure what the exact wording of the rule is, but I've got to think that embellishing a play to make it look like you were seriously injured at least falls within the spirit of the rule.
Flop of the year tbh. Manu made the right call, but went about it wrong. Needed to wrap his ass up and keep the ball from going in. Make him hit FT, then live with being up 2 with 26 seconds to go and the ball. Luckily it didn't cost the Spurs the game and they can learn from it. These 3 days of rest are going to be huge.
Of the two things I said, I am much more confident in the fine for a flop part than the downgrade of the flagrant.
I'll agree to disagree. You just don't give up easy layups at the end of games in the playoffs unless you have a big lead. IMO, fouling was the right play, and that's what he did (despite Allen acting, which has nothing to do with Gino).
If Manu gets fouled like that he does a legitimately great flop and gets Allen served up with a flagrant 2 ejection. Manu maybe turns that into a suspension,tbh. Allen's flop was so terrible he almost cost himself a flagrantAfter they look at the replay, they'd see Manu's flop and give em the regular 2 FTs tbh, just like what they should have done after Manu's foul.
We'll see what they decide. I'm just thinking that because this is more of an acting job after the fact and not the typical flop the rule was made for, the league instead issues a statement with a subliminal warning in it for the players.
LOL what am I posing as?
If that play happens in Chris Webber's back yard, you just play on.
It was a botched play after Tony penetrated and tossed a high arching lob to Bonner, who immediately froze and handed it to Manu. I have no problem with the Manu critique when he actually s up (see 3 pointer with 20 secs left in the shot clock against GSW). But that play was ed way before the turnover. Doesn't help when you have a deer-in-the-headlights Bonner ing lost and not even setting a screen.
No because Manu is such a bad azz that he would have landed on his face just to ensure the flagrant. He wouldn't have let his arms brace his fall.
What I don't get is why people get so fixated on one call. I mean, I get the point of the OP, but in general, people act like that play was the issue. There were a ton of issues in that fourth quarter that put them in that position.
takes a table leg through the heart and dying.If that play happens in Chris Webber's back yard, you just play on.
-Ron Artest
With that nose, I'll be concerned about the floor, tbh...
I think I'm gonna like ShoogarBear's posts. Oh Wait, he only posts once per month\
Exactly... we stopped moving the ball, and I thought generally we ran out of gas...
you are one of the biggest idiots
When are you going to learn?
Also, not to hijack the thread, but is anyone else concerned with how often this team runs out of gas despite not playing a ton of minutes (especially compared to most other guys/teams in the playoffs)? I mean, that is scary as how they can be up huge in games, then just completely tank hard.
Yes, MEM is a phenomenal defense but damn. Even the players are saying they were exhausted.
I could see Kawhi being tired because of the knee issues, but I just don't see why Danny couldn't play more minutes... especially when Neal is just meh... same with Splitter/Diaw...
That's what happens when your entire team is old, injured or both old and injured.
Agree with Manny here.Manu makes a foul that directly leads to the Spurs going in OT. If Manu doesn't foul - no OT. Manu apologists call it the right play.
I need to go back and watch that play a few more times..I would just think a playoff veteran of Manu's caliber would have the crunch time awareness to put up a shot, and at least give the guys a chance to get a rebound. IIRC he tried to catch the ball and go into his next move which led to the steal, instead of a quick catch and shoot.
Really? Kobe is old, and doesn't run out of gas like that usually. And that is with him playing tons of minutes. Spurs minutes are not only managed heavily in the regular season, but in the playoffs too. It's not at all surprising that they can't play an entire game in the playoffs with pretty average minutes and not be exhausted?
I get they are older and a little banged up, but so are other teams. It's scary as . They've been older for a while now, but I don't remember it being this drastic.
He actually got trapped by both Allen and whoever was on Bonner, and he tried to pass to Matty when he noticed both of the guys jumping him. IIRC, Allen blocked the pass. While you're looking at the play, take a look at Bonner. He was supposed to at least set a screen, not allow his man to jump Manu. I'm not going to tell you Manu didn't throw a poor pass, but the entire awareness and execution on that play was incredibly bad.
Looking at the replay, Manu caught the ball with 3.8 seconds remaining on the shot clock. Bonner didn't have a shot so it was the right move to give it to Manu. Manu catches the ball, has TP open in the corner but then dribbles twice and then .... I'm not even sure what happened -- he just coughed it up right into a 2-on-0 break. A Manu shot or just holding the ball for a shot clock violation would have been better. But I don't blame Manu for that since it was obviously an accident.
The mental mistake of committing at the very least a borderline flagrant foul is blame-worthy though, IMO.
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