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Nobody asked you for an opinion. Esp. about stereotypes you don't know nothing about.
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Ah Poland, holding up the stereotypes for all to see.
Nobody asked you for an opinion. Esp. about stereotypes you don't know nothing about.
Americans
Seriously, read the explanation of the NBA rulebook at the official nba website you moron.
The rule book is pretty clear and states an elbow to the head, excessive or not, is an automatic ejection. Wade got to elbow someone in the head and miss no playing time, which clearly compromises the intent of the rule to protect from head injuries/concussions.
knew you couldn't do it.
Unable and unwilling to post a simple and easily found rule.
Yeah, it's pretty clear a player can't be retroactively ejected. It's also pretty clear that the referees can asses either a flagrant one or a flagrant two to contact with the elbow above the shoulder. They chose the former. If you're saying they should change the rule to allow for a suspension for a retroactive flagrant one elbow foul, I agree with you -- but that is currently not the case.
There are no links to the rules governing the bet you foolishly made and lost. Since you made the bet about something with which I would have to be involved, you left the determination of the winner or loser of the bet up to me. I determined you lost. Make a better bet next time.Where are the rules you can approve or disapprove?
No link, no rules. You lost. Loser:
There are definite links to the flagrant foul rule which actually exists. The fact that those arguing this flagrant foul intent angle have avoided posting the actual flagrant foul rule is proof enough for me that it will hurt if not completely devastate their argument about intent.
Rule book states an elbow to the head,without distinction as to severity, is in an automatic ejection. The gaping hole in the rule book is what if the violation is not caught by refs? IMO to stay consistent with the intent of the rule an elbow to the head should always equal missed playing time.
I agree with you Humps. You agree with 2centsworth. We all agree.
NBA/all pro sports spineless non use of replay is spineless. So here we have Wade getting away with yet another cheapshot.
I said I agree they should change the rule.
Nothing to change just to add. Any elbow to the head = ejection is already in there. NBA has set a precedent that if you're not caught during game you could potentially only pay a fine, depending on severity and/or intent.
Adding is a change.
Mentioning intent in the flagrant foul rule would be a change as well.
determining enforcement would not. It's not what you say but what you do.
Since were talking about the finest points of semantics now and agree on what the rules are now concerning Wade, what does any of that have to do with Manu?
A player's intent is considered by the league when enforcing penalties.
Nba.com is lying. Damn filthy liars all of em. Unless you have the actual rulebook with David Stern himself swearing an oath of authenticity go fish. Otherwise its all boooo'sheet.. boo'sheet I tell ya.
Post the flagrant rule.
Either one of you.
Go ahead.
What are you afraid of?
How smart you are
Don't know about that. I do well on standardized tests fwiw.How smart you are
The guidelines expressed at the official site of the nba is good enough. I'm sure it will be eventually incorporated into the "rulebook" someday so even puckered pontificating assholes like yours can filled and satisfied.
When you are asked directly for a link to the actual rule from the rule book, it is not good enough.
Post the actual rule from the actual rule book.
I triple dog dare you.
Rules and regulations: Flagrant Fouls
By Official NBA Rules
Posted Apr 18 2010 7:54PM
The following is a summary of rules and regulations regarding flagrant fouls, technical fouls, elbow fouls and other player conduct issues.
A. Flagrant Foul Rules
There are two types of Flagrant Fouls, as follows:
Flagrant "1" (FFP1) - unnecessary contact committed by a player against an opponent. The opposing team is awarded two (2) free throws and possession.
Flagrant "2" (FFP2) - unnecessary and excessive contact committed by a player against an opponent. The opposing team is awarded two (2) free throws and possession and the player committing the foul is automatically ejected.
Any player who commits two Flagrant "1" Fouls in the same game will be automatically ejected from that game.
In addition, in order to address the problem of repeat offenders, the following three-point system will be in effect during the 2010 Playoffs:
• Flagrant "1" = 1 point
• Flagrant "2" = 2 points
A player will receive the points set forth above for each flagrant foul committed during the Playoffs. If the player's Playoff total exceeds 3 points, he will receive an automatic suspension following the game in which his point total exceeds 3 points and for each additional flagrant foul committed during the Playoffs, as follows:
Player at 2 points commits a FFP2: automatic one-game suspension
Player at 3 or 4 points commits a FFP1: automatic one-game suspension
Player at 3 or 4 points commits a FFP2: automatic two-game suspension
Player at 5 points or more commits a FFP1 or FFP2: automatic two-game suspension
Once a player ac ulates two (2) points, the League Office will immediately: (i) notify his team by e-mail; and (ii) send the player a letter by overnight mail (with a copy to his Head Coach and General Manager), in each case advising of the player's current point total and the penalties for any additional flagrant fouls he may commit during the Playoffs.
The League Office will review all flagrant fouls ("1" and "2"), and will have the right, following review, to reclassify a flagrant foul or to classify as flagrant a foul not called flagrant during a game. In addition, the League Office maintains the right to impose a fine and/or suspension upon any player who commits a flagrant foul at any time during the Playoffs (regardless of whether the point levels described above are reached).
The League Office will consider the following factors (as well as any other relevant facts and cir stances) in determining whether to classify a foul as Flagrant "1" or Flagrant "2", to reclassify a flagrant foul, or to impose a fine and/or suspension on the player involved:
1. The severity of the contact;
2. Whether or not the player was making a legitimate basketball play (e.g., whether a player is making a legitimate effort to block a shot; note, however, that a foul committed during a block attempt can still be considered flagrant if other criteria are present such as recklessness and hard contact to the head);
3. Whether, on a foul committed with a player's arm or hand, the fouling player wound up and/or followed through after making contact;
4. The potential for injury resulting from contact (e.g., a blow to the head and a foul committed while a player is in a vulnerable position);
5. The severity of any injury suffered by the offended player; and
6. The outcome of the contact (e.g., whether it led to an altercation).
NOTE: Each team will continue to be held responsible for the actions of its players on the court. Accordingly, if any individual player or team (collectively) commits, in the judgment of the League Office, an excessive number of flagrant fouls during the Playoffs, the player and/or that team's Head Coach will be subject to appropriate fines and/or suspensions.
Link to where I ever claimed that? Manu made a really stupid foul in 2006. One of the dumbest fouls in Spurs history. Lots of things could have changed the outcome of the game. You're a ing moron.
I'm satisfied with the rule explanations posted for everyone's convenience at the official site of the nba. The only reason you aren't is because you found out it doesn't jibe with your misconceptions of reality. We already know you won't be satisfied until the rulebook is updated. It may never be. I'm sorry to say your puckered pooter won't get the deep penetration and satisfaction it so desperately craves.
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