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I hope he signs for cheap and has a reduced role. Get a better 6th man
This. I still think 4 million is too much. Nothing more than the veteran's minimum is good enough. Manu needs to do what Duncan did, and I'm pretty sure he will, which is to let the Spurs do their signing of FA's, get some help for the Spurs, and then take whatever money is left. If the Spurs end up using all their caps space to sign some good FA's then so be it. Manu can take the veteran's minimum or retire.
I hope he signs for cheap and has a reduced role. Get a better 6th man
Or go to another team. Would you blame him for it? Or too scared that he might prove you wrong on another team? Retire my ass!
Nah. There is no other better coach at managing minutes better than Pop. If Manu went to another team, his new team would expect too much out of him, overplay him in minutes, the guy gets injured, will play like sh*t and he retires. Manu knows this too. He will not fit on another team at this point in his career. Either retire or let the Spurs do the necessary signings and take whatever is left. Manu should not be the FO priority at all.
sometimes the contrast between Spursfan and the FO couldn't be bigger, tbh... reactionary vs big picture.
Reminds me of 2010, when some spursfan doubted Tim and wanted to blow the team up...
I think the FO learned from the last knee-jerk, when they signed Richard Jefferson.
Timmy is actually 37 now. If I believe in anyone it's Timmy but he's still 37. Tim losing weight was huge and we all begun to see the fruits of his labor since last year but how much more can he really last us? I don't want to take the risk by doing the status quo which is to stay pat, wait for our role players to develop, draft good players, and then hope that genius Pop can work his magic. Manu is what? 35? This is not 2010 anymore. Spurs need to seriously address the backup PG and possible Splitter replacement issue. Paying Manu will only hinder the situation.
Reminds me of 2010, when some spursfan doubted Tim and wanted to blow the team up...
I think the FO learned from the last knee-jerk, when they signed Richard Jefferson.
@ the hindsight brigade
After getting swept by the Suns and kicked out in the 1st round by Memphis with ZBo dominating, people were making thread after thread to blow this up...
Tim deserves all the credit, because what's he doing at 37 is unheard of, losing weight or not. Pop deserves credit too, because he changed TD's role to be more of a jumpshooter and extend his shelf life.
But that's the difference between knee jerk spursfan and the FO. The FO understand what they have and how they can still make it work. Reactionary spursfan gets caught up in the moment and just want 'change', whatever that brings.
After the Lakers series, I though Ginobili deserved around $6 million per year. But after the playoffs, he deserves closer to $3-4 million, maybe less. And that's with the loyalty discount. It'll be a giant gamble to continue letting Ginobili play on this team. It's basically playing Russian Roulette every time he has the ball and 4 out of 6 chambers of the gun are loaded. He's either going to brick a step back 3, turn the ball over, or make a decent pass.
If he doesn't like the offer, then he can retire or join another team (hopefully the Heat).
I want to see Manu back next year, but not a with to big of a contract. Hopefully no more than 7 million over 2 years.
I already said what I have to say. I'm just saying about Manu because he did cost us the championship. I actually love the team that we have. We were 28 seconds away from winning it all.
I firmly believe that we were the better team. Manu evened things out for the Heat. Manu made the series go longer than necessary. Manu gave life to the Heat with his pathetic performance after Game 6. Had the Spurs won the championship, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
I'll never forget that Manu's breakfast shot was probably the biggest reason why we overcame Golden State but Manu's pathetic performance in the NBA finals upsets everything good he did earlier.
If Manu does come back next year, I hope that getting a full summer's rest from his stupid olympic team pays dividends. Kind of random but Kawhi Leonard should give the F*ck you to coach K and decline that invitation to Team USA training camp. Leonard needs to rest those knees. My opinion about Manu's salary remains the same.
At this point, letting Ginobili leave isn't blowing anything up. Leonard has already replaced Ginobili as the 3rd best player and Green is already scoring just as many points as Ginobili.
After getting swept by the Suns and kicked out in the 1st round by Memphis with ZBo dominating, people were making thread after thread to blow this up...
Tim deserves all the credit, because what's he doing at 37 is unheard of, losing weight or not. Pop deserves credit too, because he changed TD's role to be more of a jumpshooter and extend his shelf life.
But that's the difference between knee jerk spursfan and the FO. The FO understand what they have and how they can still make it work. Reactionary spursfan gets caught up in the moment and just want 'change', whatever that brings.
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Half true. The FO understands they have limited options since major FAs will never come here, and other teams do not extend their trade hands to the spurs organization they way they do the other major markets for whatever reason be it envy for their success, or no under the table side benefits most big markets probably offer (ie owner to owner houses, businesses, women etc.). Who knows why.
After getting swept by the Suns and kicked out in the 1st round by Memphis with ZBo dominating, people were making thread after thread to blow this up...
Tim deserves all the credit, because what's he doing at 37 is unheard of, losing weight or not. Pop deserves credit too, because he changed TD's role to be more of a jumpshooter and extend his shelf life.
But that's the difference between knee jerk spursfan and the FO. The FO understand what they have and how they can still make it work. Reactionary spursfan gets caught up in the moment and just want 'change', whatever that brings.
Knee jerk reactions are sometimes valid, but with little ability to do anything about it, sometimes your forced to stay pat.
This. I suppose I shouldn't be astonished that anyone wants him back at any price, but I am. 8 turnovers in game 6 should be his ticket off the team, and that's not just a matter of one game. It's all of piece.
What does Manu have that we need at this point? He absolutely can't be trusted in the playoffs. Useless in other words. And next year he's going to be that much older, and that much worse.
Manu is finished.
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TheGreatYacht is dead on right. Well said.
8 ing turnovers, EIGHT in game 6 that unequivocally cost us a ring, and we're supposed to be agonizing about how to re-sign this loser? The Manu fanbois never fail to amaze.
In 2010 some people wanted to let TD walk or (damn, this is hilarious) trade him for picks to hit the lottery and start rebuilding.
There was no Kawhi then. People were wondering if TD was done. The outlook was 1st or 2nd round fodder, and big 3 farewell tour.
I know it's difficult not to be reactionary now, but perspective people. This team went back to back to the WCF and NBA Finals, under the cap, with 'sucky' Manu running the second unit.
If Manu wants to come back, the Spurs will simply bring him back at least to see if he can still produce on a different role. Manu had a poor season overall, but he's only one season removed from being a top SG in this league.
It likely won't be for the vet minimum, and there's nothing outrageous about that. I'm sure the Spurs and Manu both will make sure that whatever deal happens won't affect the rest of what the Spurs want to do in the market (much like what happened with TD resigning).
Not sure how a summer off will fix his decision making.... Just epic in its failure. Worst turnover game of his career. One less we win... Utterly disgusting and I am a Manu fanboi...
My issue is not Manu coming back. My issue is him coming back trying to play the same way. It's not gonna work anymore at his age. Again, just look at what happened in the playoffs. Turnovers due to rhythm is one thing. Turnover after turnover over forcing things that just aren't there is another.
I felt like I was watching Romo during the play-in game against Phili a few years back. My god romo just wouldn't stop forcing and turning it over it became laughable to the point you were saying to yourself, "man how stupid is this guy!?"
And no I'm not comparing a three time champion to Romo, I'm just saying Manus play has gotten so bad that that's what it reminded me of. Sad.
I like Romo, too. Thanks for that painful reminder. Lol
At this point you at least have to trust the team to know what they're doing as far as maximizing what vets can do. Tim's role was transformed from back to the basket game into a jump shooting game, and damn it worked.
I know people are caught up with the last memory, but outside of RJ, the FO has done a damn good job of maximizing what they have.
They also had no qualms of letting guys go when they thought they didn't have enough anymore. Horry or even Bowen comes to mind.
Tim is a professional and actually rests/prepares for the NBA in the off-season while Ginobili/Parker selfishly end up playing ty FIBA ball. Hard to respect those two when they put their national team on a higher priority than the club that made them stars.
Manu already shunned the NT once, and he already said he won't play for the NT this summer either...
Plus I don't buy that line of thinking... Kobe is not a professional? They're all compe ors, tbh...
I've said before, Manu has said plenty of times, this is who I am this is how I play. If that's not gonna change, then no thank you. If the front office can truly get a hold of him and his game, and he's willing to change his game, then he deserves to finish his career with the spurs. Granted that's also at a severely reduced salary. He at least owes the franchise that for giving him the green light on playing for Argentina year after year to the detriment of of their franchise.
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