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And lets not forget Green is strictly a catch and shoot player. Can't shoot off dribble or off screens as much you'd want from " elite shooter"
His production is a 40% 3pt shooter. Not the % he did in the finals. If he shot like that the rest of his career then na I wouldn't give him up for Evans. But that's not gonna happen. Players shoot better when playing for Spurs...system or chip?? I dunno but you can't turn players into great play makers. Spurs have proven they can make great shooters..Green is one of them
And lets not forget Green is strictly a catch and shoot player. Can't shoot off dribble or off screens as much you'd want from " elite shooter"
When it comes to purely shooting...
Gary Neal > Danny Green and it's not even close tbh
Statistically speaking, this view is true. However, remember that Evans played on a bad team and was used out of position which may explain some of his recent bad form.
To much of a price tag for what we'd ask him to do.
Like what?
Did you miss all of the off-dribble and off-screen threes he was making this season?
SF/PF/C needs.. Wouldn't eat up the cap space for another guard
The Spurs are not going to spend $9 Million on another big man if they're going to spend $7.5 Million+ on Splitter. No way a fourth big gets more than a couple million. If they move on from Splitter, the Spurs get more cap space, and they can address the hole with the bigs while getting Evans.
Small-forward isn't that big of a need with Evans in the fold. He was actually pretty successful there, and among him, Ginobili and Green, the team shouldn't need to spend more than the minimum on Leonard's backup.
That's what I've been trying to tell people: The money we're talking about for Evans, Jack, JR Smith is pretty much just extra cap space after filling needs. So thinking of these acquisitions in terms of holes doesn't make sense.
He maintained the same per 36 numbers the last three seasons, and his advanced stats are actually trending upward. The numbers only say Evans is declining if they're looked at as superficially as possible.
I think Evans would improve in a good franchise like the Spurs, but i don't think SA is willing to pay the price to try it.
You don't find many players that good finishing at the rim, with amazing ball-handling skills and an elite 1st step.I think he is in bad situation in SAC. Still, I don't even think SA consider him a FA target.
I think that walking away from Splitter would be ideal and the only bigs that are out there which would improve the Spurs are going to be 8M to 10M guys. Evans just seems like someone out of the spurs reach. I don't think they chase him.
They might (probably) not. But what I'm saying is that the money they use to chase him isn't really the same money they're going to use to re-sign Splitter or to chase another big. That money is coming from Ginobili taking a pay cut. If Manu's pay cut is not small enough, then the Spurs may be left with pretty much just the MLE (that much in cap space) and room exception to improve.
Yes, and I don't think he takes a large pay cut.. I think they'll overvalue him on the market..
I want Aminu dammit!!
U watch da 1st 10 secs of dis vid foo...
C'mon bro. Danny Green was not shooting off the dribble..he's a catch and shoot guy. Arguably one of the best but that's all he is.
I like Danny Green. But if it came down to possibly giving him up for Evans I'd do it. The guy just gives you more and makes us versatile
Yes, he was. There've been threads on the this very forum dedicated to the fact that he added an off-dribble pull-up this season. He does it a couple of times on the video right above your post. Green spots up mostly because that's what he's supposed to do when he's next to Parker. But he also had a pretty healthy screen game, as he showed off against the Warriors.
Now can he get better at those things? Of course. He should become a lot more consistent in all of his offense inside the three-point line. He showed flashes during the Golden State series of having a complete offensive game. I imagine that's what he'll come back with in October.
If you want to trade him for Evans, that's your opinion. But to think that Evans can do what Green did or that Evans without Green makes the Spurs a better team is just not something I can agree with. Having Tyreke over Danny in Game 7 might have resulted in a Spurs victory, but the team would not have been anywhere near closing out the Finals had Evans replaced Green throughout the playoffs. Unless you can get someone who can do what Green did (which is really hard, since Green set a record in the Finals, and he stopped Lebron more in seven games than anyone else has ever stopped him without fouling), I don't believe the Spurs would be better.
I'd take Tyreke in exchange for Manu tbh, if I had a guarantee he would re-sign for around 10-12m rather than expect 15m or some .
I wouldn't trade Danny Green for much short of a deserved all star player. His ability to be a 40% 3 point shooter from every spot is incredibly valuable, not just for the fact that his shots are big in terms of EV, but it also increases the space on the floor for Tim and Tony. If you help off Danny Green, he will move to get open. People don't think of that as a skill, but it's an aspect of basketball intelligence where DG excels.
I'm not opposed to signing Evans, and I can see debate on who to sign between going extra big man(Millsap) and extra wing(Iggy, Evans) with Cap space. I think he has the skills to be a positive contributor in the right system(Alongside shooters where he is the primary ballhandler). But Danny Greens net value is going to be better than any logical expectation of Tyreke's.
Green can't shoot off the dribble. Please try and prove me wrong.
I don't have to. I already said he does it a couple of times in the video posted in this thread. You can search for threads about Green adding a shot off the dribble if you want. They're on here, and the most-recent one was right after Game 5.
EDIT: I was wrong about which video was posted in this thread. This is the video I meant:
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so you're saying Ginobili's next contract could us over like the previous one? what is a reasonable amount for Manu?
I've said vet minimum, he's made far enough money to be satisfied for a career after playing, plus he could always take a front office job. Vet min is around 1.4 but I'd offer him at least 2 with some incentives.. Maybe, less than 100 turnovers in the season he gets something.
Lol. Seriously? That video was Danny breaking the record on once again a catch and shoot. And he can't shoot off the dribble...you're the only one saying such a thing. Those terrible attempts at floaters doesn't count. I'm talking shooting lol. You know kinda like Gary Neal, Tony Parker...
I guess we can agree to disagree. I like Danny and he's a great shooter..but he's an extremely limited player.
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