Report: Spurs Express Interest in Monta Ellis

[ElNono]

Don't lie. I remember you tried getting into an long argument with Kidd K pulling all these bogus stats out of your as* ,like ESPN does with Lebron, just to protect your God Manu Ginobili and justify his pathetic performance in the NBA Finals. Nice try. You got owned.

Kidd K has no problem with Manu coming back... ask him.

shhhhhhhhhhhhhh girl

[TheGreatYacht]

lol dude all you did during the Finals was suck manu off and constantly chime in about how it wasn't his fault and how he wasn't playing that bad when he was ing atrocious on the court.

you're really ing stupid trying to compare 19 year old Parker to MVParker. ing fatass the first time someone mentions manu's turnovers in this thread you have to rush to his defense that Parker, who is the primary ball handler who the defense was keyed on who played 200 more minutes and had 41 more assists than ginoibli, also had two LESS turnovers. this is a thread about Ellis and you have to slight Parker to try and prop Manu up.

oh and you admitted he had one of his worst postseasons ever? wow you're a real ing observant guy there, numbnuts

[Leetonidas]

and like i said, I want ginobili back, he is one of my favorite spurs. but he was ing garbage and deserves a huge share of the blame for ting the bed massively in the Finals

[TheGreatYacht]

Kidd K has no problem with Manu coming back... ask him.

shhhhhhhhhhhhhh girl

LMAO at you feeling like you convinced him even though he owned you.

[TheGreatYacht]

and like i said, I want ginobili back, he is one of my favorite spurs. but he was ing garbage and deserves a huge share of the blame for ting the bed massively in the Finals

[tesseractive]

^ this.

Ellis is a proven scorer and playmaker - for himself only. Yet, he's a one-dimensional ball-hog, who plays no defense whatsoever. He'd never agree to come off the bench. There's no way this is true. Spurs can do much better than him - and for less money.

I haven't watched him much, so feel free to tell me I've completely got this wrong. But he's been averaging 6 assists per 36 for several years now, so it doesn't sound like he should be completely useless in setting other guys up.

[TheGreatYacht]

Kidd K has no problem with Manu coming back... ask him.

shhhhhhhhhhhhhh girl

BTW I want Manu coming back too but at the veteran's minimum. Nice job, you've convinced me.

[SenorSpur]

I haven't watched him much, so feel free to tell me I've completely got this wrong. But he's been averaging 6 assists per 36 for several years now, so it doesn't sound like he should be completely useless in setting other guys up.

If that average assist total is true, I'd be astounded.

I admit that the Spurs could use his offensive punch, I just think besides that, he doesn't bring much else to the table. With the kind of money he will command on the open market, I think he'd be a bad fit for the Spurs in a lot of ways.

[ChumpDumper]

Man he's short.

[ElNono]

Then why did you feel the need to bring Parker into this? Because someone said about Manu had you had to rush to his defense. that simple

I brought up Parker to show that a much superior player had a lot of turnovers too, and that's not an uncommon occurrence when you're a ball handler.

Also posted what Manu's AST/TO ratio was when that was brought up. Why aren't you ing about me bringing up George Hill, DWade or Mario Chalmers?

[xmas1997]

Man he's short.

So was AI, but that is what bothers me too.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

LMAO at calling El Nono a Homer.

I am a homer for Manu. Yeah he sucked in game 6 & 7 of the Finals, but he tried. And I look back at the '03 Lakers, '05 Nuggets, '07 Suns series and there is probably very small chance the Spurs win either of those series without Manu.

But the realistic outlook now is that Manu is a s of his former self. Can he still be a contributor, YES. Can he still take over games every now and then, Yes. But can he be relied on on a night in night out basis, NO.

That is why the Spurs really need to push to sign someone like Evans or Ellis this offseason b/c imo, that is really the missing piece for the Spurs at this point. And no, a bigman at this point isn't.

[Knoxxx]

Manu just needs to refocus a bit from "spectacular" towards "fundamentally sound." With his abilities diminished a bit, he can't get away with all the crazy plays he used to.

[tesseractive]

If that average assist total is true, I'd be astounded.

I admit that the Spurs could use his offensive punch, I just think besides that, he doesn't bring much else to the table. With the kind of money he will command on the open market, I think he'd be a bad fit for the Spurs in a lot of ways.

Oops -- not quite several seasons, because he's listed 3 times for 2011-12.

But still surprisingly decent:

Season .Tm .Ast
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2009-10 GSW 4.6
2010-11 GSW 5.0
2011-12 TOT 5.9
2011-12 GSW 5.9
2011-12 MIL 5.9
2012-13 MIL 5.8

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...ellismo01.html

[Leetonidas]

I brought up Parker to show that a much superior player had a lot of turnovers too, and that's not an uncommon occurrence when you're a ball handler.

Also posted what Manu's AST/TO ratio was when that was brought up. Why aren't you ing about me bringing up George Hill, DWade or Mario Chalmers?

Yes but you're comparing apples to oranges. Parker played the equivalent of 4 games more games and had less turnovers than Ginobili, while being the primary ball handler. And because who gives a about them, they aren't on our team. We're talking about Ginobili. Nono I don't see how you can defend him having more turnovers while playing a lot less minutes. Parker also handles the ball WAY more than Ginobili. Wasn't one of the games where he started next to Parker the one he had 8 freaking turnovers in? You can spin it anyway you want but 8 turnovers in a Finals game is simply unacceptable

[dbestpro]

Great move by Spurs. Go after someone no fan wants so the fans will be content with the same roster.

[TheGreatYacht]

I am a homer for Manu. Yeah he sucked in game 6 & 7 of the Finals, but he tried. And I look back at the '03 Lakers, '05 Nuggets, '07 Suns series and there is probably very small chance the Spurs win either of those series without Manu.

But the realistic outlook now is that Manu is a s of his former self. Can he still be a contributor, YES. Can he still take over games every now and then, Yes. But can he be relied on on a night in night out basis, NO.

That is why the Spurs really need to push to sign someone like Evans or Ellis this offseason b/c imo, that is really the missing piece for the Spurs at this point. And no, a bigman at this point isn't.

Well said.

Manu just needs to refocus a bit from "spectacular" towards "fundamentally sound." With his abilities diminished a bit, he can't get away with all the crazy plays he used to.

I doubt he will ever change. He only knows how to play one way and that is to take risks. The older he is, the higher the probability of his risks not panning out like they used to.

[Mr Bones]

Internet rumors on day 1 of free agency... I don't believe it. I understand the Spurs signing an undersized shooter for minimum money to play spare minutes off the bench, but I just don't think they'd consider a major contract to a 6'3" SG who has little interest in playing defense.

[024]

I've seen some bad rumors over the years but this one has to be top 3.

[ElNono]

Yes but you're comparing apples to oranges. Parker played the equivalent of 4 games more games and had less turnovers than Ginobili, while being the primary ball handler. And because who gives a about them, they aren't on our team. We're talking about Ginobili. Nono I don't see how you can defend him having more turnovers while playing a lot less minutes. Parker also handles the ball WAY more than Ginobili. Wasn't one of the games where he started next to Parker the one he had 8 freaking turnovers in? You can spin it anyway you want but 8 turnovers in a Finals game is simply unacceptable

But you're making the same mistake again. I'm not comparing Tony and Gino. I'm not. Just stop with that.

I brought him up because he's the ONLY other ball handler in the team, and when you handle the rock, you're going to have turnovers and a lot of them. I'd love every player not to have any turnovers, and if you actually look, Manu actually didn't have many in the first 4 games. I actually pointed that out as a good sign (obviously unaware of the Game 6 TO fest).

You can call me a homer because I can still talk about Gino without going in some frenzy. But I've made no excuses about his performance in Game 6.

And don't tell me TP was 19 in 06-07... Finals MVP... you know better than that.

[ElNono]

BTW I want Manu coming back too

You got owned.

[TheGreatYacht]

LMAO. Don't spin my words around. Quit copying SA210.

[coyotes_geek]

I haven't watched him much, so feel free to tell me I've completely got this wrong. But he's been averaging 6 assists per 36 for several years now, so it doesn't sound like he should be completely useless in setting other guys up.

It's the chucker phenomenon. He dominates the ball, so whatever happens he's going to be a part of it, be it him chucking up a shot or making a pass to a guy who's immediately going to chuck up a shot. Similar concept to Gilbert Arenas who would dribble off 20 seconds of the shot clock and either jack up a shot or pass it to someone who had no choice but to jack up a shot. Enough of those shots would go in and Gilbert would end up with 8-10 assists and people who weren't watching would think that was the result of unselfish play when the opposite was really true.

Ellis is a good player, but he wants the ball in his hands the entire time he's out on the court. If he were to come here, I'd have no doubt that he'd put up good numbers, but they'd be at the expense of everyone elses.

[FireMicoHalili]

We have holes at the wing position and the center position. I hope somebody here can explain how Ellis is worse than Green.

[TheGreatYacht]

It's the chucker phenomenon. He dominates the ball, so whatever happens he's going to be a part of it, be it him chucking up a shot or making a pass to a guy who's immediately going to chuck up a shot. Similar concept to Gilbert Arenas who would dribble off 20 seconds of the shot clock and either jack up a shot or pass it to someone who had no choice but to jack up a shot. Enough of those shots would go in and Gilbert would end up with 8-10 assists and people who weren't watching would think that was the result of unselfish play when the opposite was really true.

It's called the Rajon Rando style.