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Another good example.
But you're making the same mistake again. I'm not comparing Tony and Gino. I'm not. Just stop with that.
I brought him up because he's the ONLY other ball handler in the team, and when you handle the rock, you're going to have turnovers and a lot of them. I'd love every player not to have any turnovers, and if you actually look, Manu actually didn't have many in the first 4 games. I actually pointed that out as a good sign (obviously unaware of the Game 6 TO fest).
You can call me a homer because I can still talk about Gino without going in some frenzy. But I've made no excuses about his performance in Game 6.
And don't tell me TP was 19 in 06-07... Finals MVP... you know better than that.
You specifically mentioned 2003 and 2005 Parker (who was getting benched in crucial moments in favor or Claxton or Barry) not 2007 Parker. And alright, if you wanna get technical about the language you aren't COMPARING them but making an observation between the two, but my point still stands. I just don't see how it's relevant when Parker played a lot more and a better TO/AST ratio.
And I don't buy that you're going to have a lot of turnovers just because you handle the rock a lot. The Heat were focused on Parker with their best defender (LeBron) on him a lot of the times and he still managed 0 turnovers in Game 1. My problem with Manu is his turnovers are always off ridiculous passes or him trying to be too flashy or leaving his feet and trying to throw some ridiculous pass cross court. I will admit that had Tiago not the bed Ginobili would have had better assists numbers but he was really the worst player on the floor for us in almost every game besides Game 5.
Another good example.
This really only makes sense if the Spurs plan on ditching Ginobili.
Either way, I don't like it, and I don't really see it happening.
Beyond scoring, Ellis actually has pretty decent numbers so at a discount, he could add more to SAS than people think. I'd be for him but not at $12 Million a year.
Year Team RPG APG SPG
11-12 GSW 3.4 6.0 1.5
11-12 MIL 3.5 5.9 1.4
12-13 MIL 3.9 6.0 2.1
It's relevant when somebody posts an unquantified number. OMG 55 turnovers! Well, what's the reference?
TP is an actual PG in his prime, and he's one of the best ones in the league at that. Ofcourse he has a phenomenal TO/AST ratio. That's not to say Manu doesn't do a serviceable job* when you look what other players in the league do.
* I'm talking overall, don't go into another Game 6 frenzy. He was #2 in assists for the Spurs by a large margin this season.
You'll me mistaken if you didn't think the Heat didn't focus on Manu too. Just like they focused on Green in Game 6 and 7. It's no excuse for his poor Game 6, but I also get the feeling people don't give enough credit to Miami defense here.
I can see how this might work. Ideally I think they would want Ellis to replace Manu's role as super sixth man and slide Manu to backup Leonard.
A hard sell, but not impossible.
Or I could be totally wrong.
Wouldn't it potentially be a lot like when Jason Terry -- who was an undersized gunner for the Hawks -- went to the Mavs?
There's many ways you can integrate a guy like Monta... the pricetag is the big question mark.
I'm not convinced you sell Ellis on coming to a small market and take a pay cut to come off the bench, he has to start, asking him to come off the bench is greedy...
With him on the team you don't really need a backup PG unless you want to rest players so you can shorten the rotation with stronger players, Green could very well be the only guard coming off the bench (with Manu playing backup SF for instance).
So do people think Woj is being used as a mouthpiece? Can't imagine he would say something about the Spurs without confirming it tbh..
Also, I really hope it is not true for most of the reasons stated.
Then Green pulls a JR Smith becomes 6th man of the year and you trade him before the last year of his deal when his value is at an all time high...
Pricetag and minutes. You could probably talk him out of starting, but he's still going to want starter minutes I'd think.
On second thought, minutes probably aren't that big of a deal if you let Ellis take the 16 +/- minutes backing up Tony as PG in addition to whatever minutes you get him at SG. Of course if you do that then you've got to figure out what to do with the Joseph/Mills/Decolo trio. Spurs would have to cut at least two of those guys loose IMO. No need for 4th and 5th string point guards with Parker and Ellis on the team.
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Pop has gone after JR Smith time and time again, why wouldn't you believe the most reliable source in the nba when he tells you they're asking about Ellis?
the spurs need a sixth man, manu is a role player at this point.
Would Ellis start for the Spurs?
he would be the 6 man taking manu 6 man away from him
I could see Ellis signing with the Spurs and taking over Neal's role. I think Ginobili comes back for another season.
Probably because THEY don't play for the Spurs.
For the money it would take to get Ellis on board, he'd need a much bigger role than Neal's old one. He'd probably take Neal's role as well as Joseph's and some of Manu's.
I don't think he's ever improved a team. Terrible defense and not-winning basketball overall.
If we could limit him to sort of a luxury-Neal somehow, then maybe I guess.
But he is still too expensive for that, even if it's becoming clear that no one wants to pay him.
League is getting smarter.
Even if the Spurs wanted Monta and AK, it would be pretty much impossible. Assuming the Spur max their cap space by letting Tiago go for no money in return, amnesty Bonner and let Neal/Blair walk, they would have 19M in cap space.
Let's say Manu is back and takes 5M. That would be 14M left. If AK gets the 7-8M that seems to be expected, that only leaves 6-7M for Monta which he obviously is not taking.
I don't know why so many take every rumor of the Spurs supposedly being interested in a player as gospel. You don't have to be a genius to figure out that this is either his agent trying to prop up interest or the Spurs seeing if they can get an extreme contender discount, which is not going to happen.
I think what drives people crazy are Manu's unforced turnovers. Against a good defensive team you can expect to get some forced turnovers.
Bingo. Manu is the problem. He is the obstacle. He is no longer irreplaceable. Enough with that loyalty BS and "lets keep Manu because he helped us win 3 rings." Like I keep saying, fuc* Manu. He can take the veteran's minimum or retire.
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