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    That's what makes me nervous about ginobili spurs had to keep him but now he's gotta do more then he did last season or its wasted $$ tbh.I don't think this long playoff run is gonna do him any favors heading into another 82 game season .
    I agree with a few posts above, Manu will play about 40 games this season. Not enough games for his price.

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    40 games averaging 20 minutes is definitely worth 7M!!

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    And what can be expected from those 40 games? His point production is going down while the TOs are going up.

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    Manu is probably good for 40 games next year. I wouldn't object to the Spurs matching Neal's contract (given it's a reasonable one) and getting rid of Mills + De Colo.

    Gives us a load of guards who obviously all want to play but we can spread out the minutes to keep everyone happy. Plus, if something bad happens to Manu (somewhat likely) at least we have proven and capable guards to pick up the slack.
    I hope not, because if you factor in 40 games only a season combined with the fact he gets his minutes heavily managed just to make that amount of games, you are talking about a lot of money for not very much basketball (20-24MPG for only 40 games per season = to about one quarter of a season).

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    I hope not, because if you factor in 40 games only a season combined with the fact he gets his minutes heavily managed just to make that amount of games, you are talking about a lot of money for not very much basketball (20-24MPG for only 40 games per season = to about one quarter of a season).
    Manu is getting payed too much. His rapid decline is only going to continue IMHO, especially if he's continued to be asked to do too much.

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    Manu is getting payed too much. His rapid decline is only going to continue IMHO, especially if he's continued to be asked to do too much.
    Factor in he's going to see minutes at Small Forward behind Kawhi

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    I like this signing. Pendergraph will be more valuable that blair was, he adds toughness to our soft frontcourt, he seems to have a decent midrange jumper, and draftexpress acurately lists him as 6-10 in shoes. That size will help

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    Manu is getting payed too much. His rapid decline is only going to continue IMHO, especially if he's continued to be asked to do too much.
    What's funny it that the piece of still wants to play for Argentina. No shame at all for the embarrassing season he gave us last year.

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    That's not really true. What really happened is Duncan out of no where turned back the clock, stayed healthy and turned out one of the most unexpected seasons ever in the NBA.

    Not only that, TP did something that most people don't do: Got better with age. He had what was close to, if not, his best season ever in the NBA.

    Sure the young guys helped, but the real reason for success (on top of some other good fortunes) was what I mentioned in addition to Pop finally starting Tiago Splitter and that coming up aces.
    Both players started their Renaissance the year before. IMO, the biggest reason that Duncan improved again in '12-13 is that he had Splitter starting next to him, and he didn't always have to bang with opposing centers. And the biggest reason Parker has been improving is that the offense has been structured around him, and he's adapting better and better to the new role. Well, that and having better options to pass to.

    But Splitter going into a starting role is huge, Danny continuing to improve and coming up big through almost all of the playoffs was vital, and Kawhi is developing into a beast. None of those things is as obvious as Duncan and Parker, I'll grant you, but they were all crucial to the effectiveness of the team as a whole.

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    The biggest reason Duncan improved is that he lost a ton of weight...

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    Yes, true but that means Baynes will be eating up minutes now.
    How many people expected Danny to become an integral part of the team 2 years ago?

    There is no way of knowing until things play out.

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    How many people expected Danny to become an integral part of the team 2 years ago?

    There is no way of knowing until things play out.
    They didn't bring Baynes over last season for no reason, he hasn't had time to go through any off season and has 1 year of actually learning the system plus Diaw, Bonner, Tiago Tim are on the team.. tough to split minutes between 5 other guys and see meaningful minutes.

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    Nice Video..I have always liked Blair myself, just very under-used..You see what he can do by watching your Video, given the opportunity

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    Blair ing sucks, get the over it already, he's not coming back

    (not directed at the poster above me)

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    Also, no matter what you think, I highly doubt the Spur see Pendergraph as "growing into a role" next season. He is in fact the 6th big on the depth chart with Bonner still in the fold. May he jump up in the rotation later? Sure he could. But for right now, he is the 6th big on the depth chart.

    If Nando/CJ make jumps like you say the Spurs believe too, that even pushes Belinelli further back and makes that signing even more redundant.
    My guess is that Baynes's role is to be a purely situational player when facing big lineups, and Pendergraph is more llike the 5th big against most opponents. Blair couldn't get off the bench because he couldn't defend and he couldn't shoot even a midrange shot. Pendergraph can do both of those things, and there's every reason to think he can be a better defender than Bonner. I'd say that, barring injuries, his best-case scenario is displacing Bonner as the 4th big, and possibly freeing up Bonner either for a midseason trade or to not be resigned.

    My guess is that Belinelli comes in as the 4th wing in a 4-man rotation -- that or the 5th or 6th perimeter player in a general 6-man rotation. Given Manu's injury history, though, I expect he'll get chances to show he can be more than that. But given that the front office already has two candidates for backup point guard on the roster and hasn't made any obvious attempts to upgrade, I strongly suspect they're betting on one of them stepping up in that role next year.

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    To summarize: Spurs all in all are in good shape, and as we all know many things can happen over the course of the season. The Spurs still have some wiggle room to make moves throughout the year. Having said that, their moves and players they are going to sign have made very little sense in the context of the picture as we see it and we just have to see how it shakes out. Oh, and Manu took a lot of money and didn't really do the Spurs any favors despite being a massive let down in the finals and missing a ton of games last year. Again.
    Sticky this entire post to the top of the Spurs forum - maybe some of the ing will lessen.


    ...oh, who am I kidding?

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    I guess that means we will keep TMac for a backup SF.

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    20 page thread on jeff pendergraph

    love spurstalk

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    20 page thread on jeff pendergraph

    love spurstalk
    Actually, 15 pages are about how dead in the water the spurs are because they didn't sign a top name free agent...same old thing every year. "Were screwed", "Holting pattern", "Everyone else is getting better, and as usual, the Spurs FO does nothing" etc.

    We have more GM's on this thread alone, than exist in the entire NBA.


    Truth is:

    Kawhi is turning into the beast Pop expected him to become, and his performance in the Finals will only give him more confidence next year.

    Tiago, despite the moment clearly being too big for him in the Finals this season, will have his second real training camp as a Spur, and has the chance to improve greatly next year like Danny Green did.

    Belinelli is a better defender than Neal.

    Cojo will likely continue to improve over the summer and be better next year.

    This whole team can taste a championship, and will have noting on their mind than redemption next year.

    No, no, the pissers and moaners want to focus on not getting AK47
    Last edited by callo1; 07-07-2013 at 09:29 PM.

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    I really wonder what the front office will do when the inevitable happens and Tim/Manu walks away. I know Kawhi will be there and Tony will be getting up there in age, wonder if there draft strategy changes and there FO changes how they do business or they continue to underwhelm.

    The reason why these lackluster off season moves don't seem like a big deal is because Parker, Tim and Manu. With these guys there they can mask any situation and make players better. All of our role players wouldn't have this success on other teams.
    You wonder what the front office will do??? You better wonder what Kawhi will do when this team is devoid of talent and his contract is up.

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    You wonder what the front office will do??? You better wonder what Kawhi will do when this team is devoid of talent and his contract is up.
    As a restricted free agent at that point I think the spurs have to match any offer and give Kawhi what ever he wants.

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    You wonder what the front office will do??? You better wonder what Kawhi will do when this team is devoid of talent and his contract is up.
    Fortunately for the Spurs they have the opportunity to lock up Kawhi Leonard to an extension before the team is devoid of talent, i.e. next offseason.

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    Pendegraph gives us a big who can rebound and Belinelli is a similar shooter with better handles and vision than Neal. Good signings.

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    Actually, 15 pages are about how dead in the water the spurs are because they didn't sign a top name free agent...same old thing every year. "Were screwed", "Holting pattern", "Everyone else is getting better, and as usual, the Spurs FO does nothing" etc.

    We have more GM's on this thread alone, than exist in the entire NBA.


    Truth is:

    Kawhi is turning into the beast Pop expected him to become, and his performance in the Finals will only give him more confidence next year.

    Tiago, despite the moment clearly being too big for him in the Finals this season, will have his second real training camp as a Spur, and has the chance to improve greatly next year like Danny Green did.

    Belinelli is a better defender than Neal.

    Cojo will likely continue to improve over the summer and be better next year.

    This whole team can taste a championship, and will have noting on their mind than redemption next year.

    No, no, the pissers and moaners want to focus on not getting AK47
    This is a blatantly "glass-half-full" post, which completely ignores Ginobili's extreme regression, counts on last year's Duncan/Parker performance as status quo, and assumes player development for various players (including a 29yr old with a dozen years of professional experience).

    Don't be a naive homer...Spurs had opportunity to change the status quo and put some different pieces in place, but they consciously chose not to do so. Would it have made them better? Fair question...but honestly the status quo has as many or more.

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    They overpaid everyone it seems...maybe it's inflation?

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