Spurs reach agreement with Jeff Pendergraph (Report: 2 Year, ~$4 million)

[Sean Cagney]

Actually, 15 pages are about how dead in the water the spurs are because they didn't sign a top name free agent...same old thing every year. "Were screwed", "Holting pattern", "Everyone else is getting better, and as usual, the Spurs FO does nothing" etc.

We have more GM's on this thread alone, than exist in the entire NBA.


Truth is:

Kawhi is turning into the beast Pop expected him to become, and his performance in the Finals will only give him more confidence next year.

Tiago, despite the moment clearly being too big for him in the Finals this season, will have his second real training camp as a Spur, and has the chance to improve greatly next year like Danny Green did.

Belinelli is a better defender than Neal.

Cojo will likely continue to improve over the summer and be better next year.

This whole team can taste a championship, and will have noting on their mind than redemption next year.

No, no, the pissers and moaners want to focus on not getting AK47

They should be good but there is a FEW IFS for next year.

[callo1]

This is a blatantly "glass-half-full" post, which completely ignores Ginobili's extreme regression, counts on last year's Duncan/Parker performance as status quo, and assumes player development for various players (including a 29yr old with a dozen years of professional experience).

Don't be a naive homer...Spurs had opportunity to change the status quo and put some different pieces in place, but they consciously chose not to do so. Would it have made them better? Fair question...but honestly the status quo has as many or more.

I mentioned this on another thread but:

I have to believe that Manu being the compe or that he has always been, he will change his game to fit his aging body. If you know NBA history, all of the greats had to go through the process of changing their games to fir their age...Barkley, Timmy, Jordan, Malone etc.

Miami took away the fast break, and in effect took Manu even further out of his game. Manu must redefine his gameplay or the same thing will happen again in the playoffs.

Some people on this forum are acting like Manu didn't "own" his failure in the Finals...that is pure nonsense, as he stated that his poor play lost game 6. Manu is too good of a teammate and compe or to sit by this summer without improving himself. He will never be the "old Manu", except in flashes, but that by no means says he can't be effective.

The Spurs can still make a move this summer, or at the trade deadline possibly.

Bottom line is that this team was one shot away for winning another le.

[Russ]

Here is the player profile from the 2009 draft:

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/jeff-pendergraph

[coachmac87]

He has a high release like a helicopter on his jumper...and a sky hook like Kareem.

The kid has mad game...

[Darkwaters]

I mentioned this on another thread but:

I have to believe that Manu being the compe or that he has always been, he will change his game to fit his aging body. If you know NBA history, all of the greats had to go through the process of changing their games to fir their age...Barkley, Timmy, Jordan, Malone etc.

Miami took away the fast break, and in effect took Manu even further out of his game. Manu must redefine his gameplay or the same thing will happen again in the playoffs.

Some people on this forum are acting like Manu didn't "own" his failure in the Finals...that is pure nonsense, as he stated that his poor play lost game 6. Manu is too good of a teammate and compe or to sit by this summer without improving himself. He will never be the "old Manu", except in flashes, but that by no means says he can't be effective.

The Spurs can still make a move this summer, or at the trade deadline possibly.

Bottom line is that this team was one shot away for winning another le.

Well said

[dg7md]

I don't know a thing about this guy but it reeks of CIA Pop bringing in someone who will go hard for us out of nowhere in the most unexpected way. I like the signing.

[Russo21]

Bringing in Bellinelli and Pendegraph are Lateral moves considering the people they will replace.
For you talking about in-house improvement, mainly of Green,Leonard and Splitter is all fine and well and I expect them to improve to. But…

Parker is over 30 and slowing down
Duncan is a year older and even though he’s a freak of nature he may slow down.
Manu will get worse and worse (I’ll predict he’ll have more turnovers then made field goals in 2013-14)
Pop is getting dementia before our very eyes.

So with little improvement to the roster will the expected improvement of Green leonard and Splitter be enough to offset the decline in Tim (we may get 2011 Tim instead of 2013 Tim) Manu and Tony and Pop? IMO the expected improvements may not offset the suspected decline of others. Failed offseason so far especially for the amount of $ they threw Manu and Tiago's direction.

[mosdef17]

Manu will get worse and worse (I’ll predict he’ll have more turnovers then made field goals in 2013-14)
Pop is getting dementia before our very eyes.

Bit stupid, he had 229 field goals and 132 turnovers in 2012/13 season. He needs 50 less field goals and 50 more turnovers.

[Russo21]

Bit stupid, he had 229 field goals and 132 turnovers in 2012/13 season. He needs 50 less field goals and 50 more turnovers.

And in the finals he had 26 field goals to 22 turnovers. That's astronomical. So no he's not that far off from having more turnovers to made field goals.

[K-State Spur]

This is a blatantly "glass-half-full" post, which completely ignores Ginobili's extreme regression, counts on last year's Duncan/Parker performance as status quo, and assumes player development for various players (including a 29yr old with a dozen years of professional experience).

It was a bit homerish of a post. That said:

1) Ginobili's "extreme" regression is based almost completely on his game 6 performance. Otherwise, he was 19 PER for the season and 16.5 PER for the playoffs. Now, that's a definite regression from where we're accustomed to seeing Manu, but nothing "extreme" about above average numbers overall in both rights. And, while Manu's ability to create off the dribble & defend should continue to drop - it's very conceivable that his jumpshot could come back to 2008-2011 levels, mitigating that a bit.

2) Parker's hitting the end of his prime, but he should still have a year or two left of it. Duncan could fall off at any moment - but it's not worth worrying about. If Duncan regresses much next year, Spurs aren't winning anything anyways (regardless of who they signed, save Howard - which wasn't happening).

[rmt]

It was a bit homerish of a post. That said:

1) Ginobili's "extreme" regression is based almost completely on his game 6 performance. Otherwise, he was 19 PER for the season and 16.5 PER for the playoffs. Now, that's a definite regression from where we're accustomed to seeing Manu, but nothing "extreme" about above average numbers overall in both rights. And, while Manu's ability to create off the dribble & defend should continue to drop - it's very conceivable that his jumpshot could come back to 2008-2011 levels, mitigating that a bit.

2) Parker's hitting the end of his prime, but he should still have a year or two left of it. Duncan could fall off at any moment - but it's not worth worrying about. If Duncan regresses much next year, Spurs aren't winning anything anyways (regardless of who they signed, save Howard - which wasn't happening).

Why would you think that his jumpshot could come back when even his free-throw has gone to the dogs.

[K-State Spur]

Why would you think that his jumpshot could come back when even his free-throw has gone to the dogs.

Because unlike ability to drive the rim and play defense, the jumper is one of the last things to go with age. It's more likely Manu's shooting issues this year were an aberration, some bad luck after having a pretty "lucky" shooting season in 2012. I fully expect his shooting numbers to go back into the more consistent range that they were from 2008-2011 prior to the high & low fluctuations the past 2 seasons. (Now, whether he can still have offense run through him at age 36 next season is a completely different matter...)

[Raven]

So who's the Spurs backup SF?

i'm guessing green and diaw

[cd98]

It was a bit homerish of a post. That said:

1) Ginobili's "extreme" regression is based almost completely on his game 6 performance. Otherwise, he was 19 PER for the season and 16.5 PER for the playoffs. Now, that's a definite regression from where we're accustomed to seeing Manu, but nothing "extreme" about above average numbers overall in both rights. And, while Manu's ability to create off the dribble & defend should continue to drop - it's very conceivable that his jumpshot could come back to 2008-2011 levels, mitigating that a bit.

2) Parker's hitting the end of his prime, but he should still have a year or two left of it. Duncan could fall off at any moment - but it's not worth worrying about. If Duncan regresses much next year, Spurs aren't winning anything anyways (regardless of who they signed, save Howard - which wasn't happening).

Disagree. Ginoboli wasn't bad in just game 6. He had a number of bad or below average games in the playoffs and plenty of them in the regular season. While I still think the guy is capable of giving the Spurs a lot next season, there is no question he is in decline and considerably less reliable. We used to pencil Ginoboli in for a solid 30 points after a bad playoff performance, but he can't do that kind of stuff anymore.

[T Park]

This is a blatantly "glass-half-full" post, which completely ignores Ginobili's extreme regression, counts on last year's Duncan/Parker performance as status quo, and assumes player development for various players (including a 29yr old with a dozen years of professional experience).

Don't be a naive homer...Spurs had opportunity to change the status quo and put some different pieces in place, but they consciously chose not to do so. Would it have made them better? Fair question...but honestly the status quo has as many or more.

A typical fantasy basketball fan that wants change every year just for the sake of change.

[T Park]

it would defintiely have to be a trade at this point

Don't have the assets. Players like that are rare.

[tuncaboylu]

4M is too much for 2 yearss. He's basically a minimum wage player, why are we spending so much of our MLE?

[Raven]

so who would we go after in 2015?

max for Leonard? resign Green?

[Vash StampedE]

Some people on this forum are acting like Manu didn't "own" his failure in the Finals...that is pure nonsense, as he stated that his poor play lost game 6. Manu is too good of a teammate and compe or to sit by this summer without improving himself. He will never be the "old Manu", except in flashes, but that by no means says he can't be effective.

Sure he admitted of his poor play but you can't ignore the fact that his contract, and Splitter's, took a big lump of the Spurs' available money that could have been used to sign a key free agent. I just wished he could have sacrificed more by accepting lesser money, i.e. Ray Allen in Miami. Nevertheless, I have same expectations from him. I hope that Pop does give him a lesser role next season - less penetration, less playmaking, more spot-up/corner 3 shots - which I'm pretty sure he'll not have a problem with.

[Chinook]

max for Leonard? resign Green?

I don't think Leonard will get the max. I think he'll sign and extension in the Curry range ($50M/4-$60M/5) next off-season. Provided Green continues to improve, he'll probably get offered a contract, but the team may not fight for him too hard if the window is fully closed by then. If the Spurs try to build around Parker and Leonard, he may stay on a $6-7 Million per year deal. Joseph may get offered a smart extension next off-season as well if he looks like he can be a legitimate backup.

This is how I think the salaries on the team could look in 2015-2016:

Leonard $11M
Parker $10M
Splitter $9M
Green $6.5M
Joseph $3.5M

So those four deals put the Spurs in about the $40 Million range. Seeing as the cap will probably be about $64 Million by then, they should have enough money to go for some good free agents.

[Raven]

I don't think Leonard will get the max. I think he'll sign and extension in the Curry range ($50M/4-$60M/5) next off-season. Provided Green continues to improve, he'll probably get offered a contract, but the team may not fight for him too hard if the window is fully closed by then. If the Spurs try to build around Parker and Leonard, he may stay on a $6-7 Million per year deal. Joseph may get offered a smart extension next off-season as well if he looks like he can be a legitimate backup.

This is how I think the salaries on the team could look in 2015-2016:

Leonard $11M
Parker $10M
Splitter $9M
Green $6.5M
Joseph $3.5M

So those four deals put the Spurs in about the $40 Million range. Seeing as the cap will probably be about $64 Million by then, they should have enough money to go for some good free agents.

that's more of a best case scenario, i see it more like leonard 14, green 8, joseph 4.5-5 .. in any case you need to count the bench too.

[Chinook]

that's more of a best case scenario, i see it more like leonard 14, green 8, joseph 4.5-5 .. in any case you need to count the bench too.

I don't think so Leonard will get more than Harden's getting now unless the Spurs go deep into the playoffs and Leonard makes the All-Star team. Most players of his caliber get contracts in the $12 Million a year range, especially off extensions.

I'm looking at the contracts for free-agent two-guards when estimating Green's value. A $6.5 Million starting salary extends out to a $29M/4 deal, which seems like a good deal if Green can develop a legitimate inside game. If he doesn't, he may not see a very big raise from his $4 Million salary in 2014-2015 salary at all.

I could see Joseph getting more if he really blows up. But most back-up point-guards don't get very big deals. Only if they thought Cory could take over for Tony would they give him $5 Million (which stretches out to $22M/4).

You're right, though. With inflation in the cap, the salaries definitely could increase by a couple million each, though.

[dbestpro]

Manu had no problem attacking the basket and getting the proper elevation. It was not his age that was the problem. It was his decision making. What is a worry is his constant desire to make an outstanding play verses the right play. He has gotten worse in this regards with age. He needs to stop being the playmaker and go back to being the scorer.

[Mel_13]

I don't think Leonard will get the max.

He definitely won't get the max if his signs an extension next summer. He'll have to give back something for the security of getting the deal a year early. A Curry level deal, as you suggest, seems appropriate.

If it goes to 2015 and restricted free agency, it's way too early to make a good guess.

[Raven]

I don't think so Leonard will get more than Harden's getting now unless the Spurs go deep into the playoffs and Leonard makes the All-Star team. Most players of his caliber get contracts in the $12 Million a year range, especially off extensions.

I'm looking at the contracts for free-agent two-guards when estimating Green's value. A $6.5 Million starting salary extends out to a $29M/4 deal, which seems like a good deal if Green can develop a legitimate inside game. If he doesn't, he may not see a very big raise from his $4 Million salary in 2014-2015 salary at all.

I could see Joseph getting more if he really blows up. But most back-up point-guards don't get very big deals. Only if they thought Cory could take over for Tony would they give him $5 Million (which stretches out to $22M/4).

You're right, though. With inflation in the cap, the salaries definitely could increase by a couple million each, though.

tbh we really have no leverage against him, any decent agent would get the max from us, anyone knows he is the future of the franchise, i'm sure there are other franchises that would offer him the max, if nothing else just to make us worse. I don't think Leonard is a , but when it's business ... Harden was the sixth man in okc and just came out of a chokejob in the finals..