how do you think they should proceed to detain people who aren't being compliant?
how about what they did for 100+ years BEFORE they had high-tech weapons?
For you, flash-bangers and tasers are only and immediate goto weapons?
The police are chicken s, knowing they can escalate immediatly up to shooting immediately with almost never any penalty, their word always carries over the word of their victims, esp the dead ones.
be specific
on what?
+1
Complex issue, and very very very rarely is there ever a clear version of events that makes fault of one side or the other clear to any reasonable person.
Do you even read the articles you post? came at the cops with a knife.
Prosecutor: It Was A Mistake To Issue Arrest Warrant For 9-Year-Old Boy
POST FALLS, Idaho (AP) — An Idaho prosecutor said he made a mistake requesting an arrest warrant for a 9-year-old boy held in custody for three days after being accused of stealing a pack of gum.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/idaho-prosecutor-arrest-warrant-child-mistake?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_ campaign=Feed%3A+tpm-news+%28TPMNews%29
and for you sicko gun fellators, the immediate and only action was to kill her.
And they were charged with murder.
Knives are incredibly lethal. Don't come at a cop with a knife.
they had no choice, he was mentally ill, unarmed, and running away.
Good thing there was a helmet cam, huh? Otherwise, we'd be taking this defense as incontrovertable evidence supporting lethal action:
After the shooting, police Chief Gorden Eden defended his officers, detective Keith Sandy and SWAT team member Dominique Perez, saying Boyd had made a threatening move toward Perez, according to the Journal.
Knives are lethal but fairly easy to defend against. In the following, the guy on the left is approximating a two hand knife attack on an unarmed citizen. (for safety reason, they used black puffy things instead of knives).
Seriously? You call a double eagle kick "fairly easy"?
Every single police officer should be required to have a body cam.
VIDEO: Cops Beat Handcuffed Man: 'Don't You F**king Dare' Call For Jesus!
A video posted online this week appeared to show police in Michigan beating a handcuffed man and forbidding him from calling for Jesus, The Detroit News reported.
The video, uploaded on Monday to Facebook by user Emma Craig, allegedly showed two officers punching and kicking a man in handcuffs who was already on the ground, the newspaper reported.
Near the beginning of the nine-and-a-half-minute video, an officer could be heard shouting at the handcuffed man.
"What'd you say?" the officer said. "Jesus? You're calling Jesus? You er! Don't you dare. Don't you ing dare!"
The officers could then be heard congratulating each other and saying "good job, man." One of the officers could also be heard using the word " ."
As the video progressed, a female officer approached the handcuffed man and while waiting with the male officers could be heard lauding their actions.
"That's a justified ass-whooping," the female officer could be heard saying.
The incident was being investigated by Grosse Pointe Park police, but the officers involved belong to a task force comprised of officers from multiple jurisdictions, the newspaper reported. Initial findings in the investigation reportedly showed the officers' actions were warranted.
"We're looking at it, and we believe the officers actions were proper," Grosse Pointe Park Police Chief David Hiller told the paper on Tuesday. "In effecting the arrest, they had to kick to get his arms free because he was going for his gun, which was in his waistband."
Hiller said the handcuffed man had broken parole and was wanted for an armed robbery. He also said the suspect had not fired at police.
Warning: The video below is graphic and disturbing.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewir...+%28TPMNews%29
he was on the ground, handcuffed, and he was STILL ARMED, going for his gun?
ing sicko sadistic cops are criminal liars
Nightmare: Cop Stalks Woman, Has Her Committed When She Rejects Him
Lawsuit: Romantic rejection led to terrifying abuse of power.
At the time, the young woman says, she had only recently broken up with her boyfriend of six years, and they were still trying to work out their issues. While Zacharias was still at the apartment, Figuera invited her ex over to see the new place.
By then, she says, Zacharias had overstayed his welcome, and when her ex-boyfriend did indeed arrive at the apartment, "Zacharias began yelling uncontrollably at him." Moments later, Zacharias allegedly escalated the confrontation by pulling a gun on the ex-boyfriend and chasing him from the premises.
Figuera describes herself as startled by the alleged incident, and says she was even more surprised when Zacharias went back to his police cruiser, gathered some belongings, and announced he wanted to stay the night.
Figuera says she responded by telling Zacharias she wasn't interested in having a relationship with him.
But this, she claims, only inspired him to become more aggressive in his pursuit of her. Initially, Zacharias called her several times a day, and after she stopped answering his calls, he began to call her sister, asking about Figuera's activities, the complaint says.
Figuera says the officer arrested her for "allegedly being irrational," issued her citations for minor violations, and then had her transferred to a local mental hospital.
"Defendant Zacharias told Plaintiff: that's what you get ," the complaint says.
Figuera says the staff at the Citris Mental Ins ute found no basis for her ins utionalization, and released her within hours of her arrival.
She says she next encountered Zacharias in traffic court, where she was found guilty of offenses ranging from having unlawfully tinted windows to blocking the right-of-way. Figuera says the court's decision was based on a series of false statements made by the officer, and that the court's findings were later thrown out with Zacharias Facebook messages and other alleged statements were brought to the attention of the state attorney's office.
Figuera seeks unspecified compensatory damages on claims of negligence, negligent retention, malicious prosecution, false arrest and imprisonment, and civil rights violations.
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-pol...er1030216&t=23
8 White People Who Pointed Guns At Police Officers and Managed Not to Get Shot
When a white guy is seen wandering around in public waving a gun, the police usually try to talk him down; he’s probably just having a bad day. Even if the white guy happens to be pointing his gun directly at an officer, his interaction with the police is unlikely to end in the exchange of gunfire. This is called white privilege.
Recent history suggests there’s a certain methodology for how police handle nearly identical gun-related incidents: white guys get arrested, while black guys get shot. Outraged? If not, you need to pay attention.
1. Armed White Guy Has Standoff With Police, Then Gets His Gun Back
Last May, an armed Michigan man had a standoff [3] with the police as he stood in front of a Dairy Queen waving a loaded rifle around and angrily shouting. When cops arrived, the man, Joseph Houseman, refused to identify himself, grabbed his crotch, flipped the bird, and cursed them out. Houseman was intoxicated and didn’t have an ID. For 40 minutes, the police tried to get the belligerent man to put his weapon down. All the while, he was screaming, “The revolution is coming,” and accusing the cops of being a “gang." He told the police he had a legal right to "threaten" police officers and their families.
Excerpt from their encounter:
JOSEPH HOUSEMAN: That's my First Amendment right.
POLICE: No it's not. You can't swear.
HOUSEMAN: That's bull . I can threaten you if I want to.
POLICE: That's incorrect.
HOUSEMAN: I can threaten you. I can threaten your family. I didn't threaten your family; I said I could.
POLICE: You said a war was coming.
HOUSEMAN: I didn't say a war was coming.
POLICE: You said a revolution is coming.
HOUSEMAN: Think about it. You know it is.
When Houseman refused a Breathalyzer test, officers decided not to give him his gun back. Instead, he was told to come to the police station and claim it the next day. He did, and his gun was safely returned.
2. White Guy Points Gun at Police Officers and Children During Hour-Long Standoff
In August, a San Diego man got out of his parked car with a loaded 9mm pistol and proceeded to point it [4] at police officers and small children who were playing in a local park. The police proceeded to spend the next hour trying to talk the man, Lance Tamayo, into putting down his weapon.
Can you guess the man’s race? That’s right, he’s a white guy!
As terrified children were forced to hide in the bathroom, Tamayo rushed toward the officers with his weapon pointed at them and at a police helicopter flying overhead.
Eventually, an officer shot Tamayo once in the stomach to put him down. He fell to the ground, but his gun remained within reach. The police then called Tamayo on his cell phone and spoke with him for 15 minutes before he agreed to surrender. He was arrested and charged with exhibiting a firearm in the presence of peace officers.
3. White Man Arrested Twice For Road Rage With a Gun
In October, a Tennessee man was arrested [5] for waving a loaded gun during a road rage incident involving another man and his son. E.J. Watson confronted the pair when they came to a stop, exited his vehicle with his pistol tucked in the front of his pants and was very belligerent, cursing and making derogatory remarks.
The victims called 911, and police pulled Watson over a few miles from the weapon-wielding episode. His car was littered with empty beer cans as well as a loaded Smith & Wesson revolver. Watson refused to exit his vehicle and had to be physically removed. Only three months earlier, he was arrested for a separate drunken road rage incident.
Good thing for Watson he was white—otherwise he might not be alive today.
4. White Guy Arrested for Firing BB Gun at Officers
A 22-year-old from New Hampshire faces one count of reckless conduct after firing a BB gun [6] at Concord police in September. The two police officers were making a routine traffic stop at an intersection when the man opened fire from a nearby apartment building. They arrested the culprit, Jesse Deflorio, who was on already on probation for a similar incident. The judge residing over the case commented that he was worried about the white guy’s safety following the most recent BB gun-firing episode. Poor white guy.
Tamir Rice [7], 12, was walking around a Cleveland park, holding a toy gun that uses nonlethal plastic pellets. A police cruiser pulled up and within two seconds Rice was shot and killed by rookie officer Timothy Loehmann.
5. Two White Men Shoot Up Walmart With BB Gun and Live to Tell the Tale
Two Idaho men were taken into custody after shooting up a Walmart [8] with a BB gun. Both were intoxicated. They walked into the Post Falls Walmart and proceeded to remove BB guns from boxes, before loading one and firing it four times while in the store. Walmart security contacted police, saying the two men “started shooting the gun in the store and made comments that they were going to shoot the store up.” According to one Walmart employee, the drunken men approached him and asked if he wanted to join them in their shooting spree.
The two white guys were taken into custody without incident, instead of being shot and killed on the spot.
However, on August 5, John Crawford III was shopping at a Walmart in Dayton, Ohio when he picked a BB rifle off the shelf from the sporting goods section. As he walked around the store fiddling with the gun and talking on his cell phone, another shopper called police to report a black man carrying an AR-15 assault rifle. The shopper told police that Crawford, “looked like he was going to go violently.” Crawford was shot and killed by police while in the store.
On the 911 call, the dispatcher can be heard saying “Walmart, a black male, six foot, wearing a blue shirt, blue pants, in the …section, holding a gun, pointing…”
There you have it: in two incidents involving men carrying BB guns in the same chain store: the white men were arrested and the black man was killed.
6. White Guy Arrested After Pointing Gun at Pennsylvania Police Officers
Just this month,Pennsylvania State Police arrested a man after he reportedly pulled a gun [9] on officers. Jed Frazier had driven his car off the road into a ditch. When police approached the vehicle, the man pulled a handgun from his coat pocket and pointed it at police.
Officers took shelter and tried to talk the man into dropping his loaded weapon. Finally, the police broke the windows of his car, extricated the man and arrested him, all without firing a shot.
Want to guess the man’s race?
7. White Woman Dressed In Body Armor Arrested After Shooting Into Cars and Pointing Gun at Police
It’s not just white guys who get all the privilege—sometimes white women do as well.
Just before the new year, a Tennessee woman was arrested after driving around shooting at passersby, leading police on a chase and pointing her gun at an officer. Two people were at a stop sign when Julia Shields pulled up in a sedan and fired shots into their vehicle, hitting and disabling the radiator. A rash of 911 calls reported Shields pointing her firearm at people as she passed, and firing at another vehicle in the same area. Once cops arrived, she led them on a short chase.
Fortunately for Shields, she is white and was arrested without incident or injury.
8. White Man Arrested After Pointing Gun at Phoenix Firefighters During Hour-Long Standoff
A mentally disturbed white man was arrested in Phoenix after pointing a gun at firefighters during an hour-long standoff [10]. Steven Whitlock opened his apartment door with a gun in his hand when firefighters stopped by to conduct a welfare check. The firefighters dropped their equipment and ran for cover. Whitlock then grabbed their equipment and barricaded himself in his apartment.
Police engaged in an hour-long standoff with Whitlock, before forcing themselves into his apartment and taking him into custody.
Compare that with what happened to Kajieme Powell, who was shot and killed by St. Louis police after walking toward them with a knife while screaming, “Shoot me, kill me now."
Police ordered the mentally disturbed black man to drop the knife, and when he didn’t they shot him. So much for trying to talk him down; as long as the perpetrator is black, officers can shoot first, and ask questions later.
http://www.alternet.org/civil-libert...ter1030226&t=7
"how do you think they should proceed to detain people who aren't being compliant?"
I'm sure there are 100Ks more detainings, arrests, bookings than are really necessary. Police have quotas to meet.
Instead jumping, choke holding, beating, kicking, tazing, shooting for the pure entertainment of IMMEDIATE escalation, police should ALWAYS stay cool, patient, and de-escalate, BUT THEY WON'T.
Again, I mildly agree. There is more force used than is necessary, and more abuse than I am comfortable with.
Your answer was a bit evasive though. What happens when patience doesn't work?
You have to acknowledge that force, even deadly force, is not only necessary, but desirable. Only then can any meaningful discussion about improving police methods take place.
"What happens when patience doesn't work?"
I think you know what the police will do: what they do now, taze, shoot to kill(preferably if citizen is no threat, unarmed, and best of all, running away), jump on the person and beat, kick the out of 'em.
Calm and patient cop killed
http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/...pect/21526819/
Agree, police are way too quick to draw their weaponry and it's becoming more and more of a problem nowadays. The police should be the ones calming situations, not escalating them.
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