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Like I said, that cop ed up. Dude's behavior led to that up.
you might be misunderstanding my point or i am failing to articulate it
i am not saying “they had it coming/deserved it”
im saying their actions contributed
that is all
im not saying resisting = deserved to die
just that they could have survived these events and done a day or two of jail instead of dying
only by complying and lived to fight another day
Like I said, that cop ed up. Dude's behavior led to that up.
https://kstp.com/news/bca-identifies...oting/6073236/BCA identifies officer in Daunte Wright shooting
Sign language lady has it nailed.
GET HER!!!
I don’t think anybody is claiming that the victim acted optimally. At all.
but him not acting optimally should never result in death and yet the system appears to be more or less indifferent with that outcome
Does the cop have no agency in this?
3 months later, we still don't know who shot Ashli Babbitt.
Third time: that cop ed up
i agree
but maybe instead of “indifferent”
id say “slow to change”
just like car chases leading to catastrophes and multi-deaths
it took a long ass time for LE agencies to curtail those chases and find other ways of apprehending suspects
im thinking that traffic stops are going to have to be rethought all over again
Sure. But when you say “led to” it carries an implication that the victims actions made the up an inevitability
Never said "inevitability" counselor
Hey, if you're in the area, you know what to do.
That’s why i said implication
Why on earth would you escalate a traffic stop?
I think the issues that come from these incidents are not a matter of whether each of them as one single, isolated incident was an accident or not or whether the victim put himself or herself in that precarious position by not complying with police. Each individual case, there is merit in those arguments. What’s troubling is the big picture. Why does it happen to black people at seemingly such an alarming clip compared to white people? Surely, the argument isn’t that NO white people ever resists arrest or ever tries to flee from cops. Why is it when it’s a black person, there is a higher chance of that person getting shot and/or killed?
That’s the whole idea behind the systemic racial bias. In this particular case, is this police officer so flustered by it being a black man that all of her 25 years of training went out the window when trying to differentiate between a taser and a gun? Would she have been much more calm had he been white? The whole idea of systemic racism is that it’s embedded in the culture, in our society, in the criminal justice system. It’s learned behavior but becomes almost naturally predisposed behavior by so many people. That’s what these social justice movements are trying to get to the root of.
I want to believe that it was an accident, an honest mistake. I’d like to believe had he complied with police, he’d be alive today. But I don’t know if I do. I’m reminded of the Elijah McClain death and I don’t know that a black person who does comply always makes a difference in saving his life. With every case of “accidents” of police killing black people, it gets harder to believe they’re accidental.
I think it's important to distinguish between a person putting themselves in a position where there's an increased risk of something bad happening to them and a person being responsible for something happening to them. If a person walks down a dark alley and gets mugged, they put themselves in a bad position but are in no way responsible for the mugger's actions. Same with flipping a person off in traffic and that person chasing you down and shooting you. Or taking a drink from a stranger at a club and being assaulted. Should we teach people to avoid putting themselves in these situations? Yes, and folks teach that all the time. That's the point of "the talk" that you've almost certainly heard black people mentioning they have with their kids. Don't confuse the political pressure against police actions with a lack of individual push on directing behavior. They're different things, and you can't use the latter to try to mask the former.
Police aren't en led to use force (especially deadly force) to detain someone who isn't posing a danger to others and who isn't wanted for a violent crime. That's the full stop. Until that's established and hammered home to every cop in the country, there's no room to talk about anything the non-violent civilians do.
Another example of cops violating citizens rights
Cops always escalate stops. Plenty of examples of it. I'd like to see the full video but it looks like those cops did a terrible job executing a safe traffic stop.
Last edited by Trill Clinton; 04-13-2021 at 08:28 AM.
FACT
So far in 2021 (as of 3/31) There have been 213 civilians shot by police in the US.
14% (30) were black
The whole premise that police are shooting people because they are black seems to be flawed.
Thank you. Do you have a breakdown of those who were armed and unarmed?
what am I supposed to do?
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