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    So now that the Spurs are out of the running for his services, where will he likely end up? I don't see any contenders with enough cap space to sign AK47. It will likely be with a bottom-feeder. What a waste.

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    I specifically said he deserved credit for that game. Was just trying to show you how awful he was in the other 6.

    I also said, counting game 3 he shot 41% from the field in the series.
    .. with most of those being threes. 41% from three is good.

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    Show me where I said he needs a max.

    It doesn't matter if it's just "one game". That "one game" counts.

    Spurs fans logic: Lets not count the games where the player did good, only the bad games, so we can talk about him.
    I was just using you as an example.

    When you look at a player and whether they are worth a contract, you have to take the whole season in account, not just one good game.

    Obviously, Neal has value as a shooter but Beli brings more to the table, imo, than a Neal.

    Swap Neal and Beli last year, do you think Neal will shoot that well in a system not as geared towards creating open looks as the Spurs? And what would Beli's numbers look like on the Spurs? As DesignatedT already said, Beli shot better over the course of last year than Neal did, in our system.

    I think Beli can have a breakout shooting year in our offense and still bring more BBIQ to the table than Neal.

    Full Of Win, this pickup is...

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    So now that the Spurs are out of the running for his services, where will he likely end up? I don't see any contenders with enough cap space to sign AK47. It will likely be with a bottom-feeder. What a waste.
    I guess he overestimated his value on the market.Biggest problem is that he wants a long contract.It seems that the bottom-feeders are the only left.

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    So now that the Spurs are out of the running for his services, where will he likely end up? I don't see any contenders with enough cap space to sign AK47. It will likely be with a bottom-feeder. What a waste.
    From HoopsRumors Via Wolfsn of ESPN Twin Cities
    The Thunder have interest in signing-and-trading Kevin Martin to the Wolves, but an outright signing is more likely. Andrei Kirilenko's camp is also pushing for a sign-and-trade, says Wolfson, but the Wolves are more likely to simply renounce his rights.

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    right now it probably would look like this:

    Parker/Joseph/DeColo
    Green/Ginobili/Mills
    Leonard/Belinelli
    Duncan/Diaw/Bonner
    Splitter/Pendegraph/Baynes

    (Manu actually will play some PG and Mills will be together on the court with Nando/Manu)

    short playoff rotation:
    Parker/Joseph
    Green/Ginobili
    Leonard/Belinelli
    Duncan/Diaw
    Splitter

    (with Leonard playing small ball 4 thats ok)

    That said: A true backup SF would be nice (even better if he can play some PF for the playoffs too) and we could afford loosing Nando/Mills in order to get one (I don't see mills leaving).

    F*** AK47 is just what is missing

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    Regarding KM, Thats what happens when you allow someone to become a FA, the time for you to get something in return has past. Too late.

    Re AK: not sure why MN doesnt want to get something for AK as opposed to just letting him walk? Unless they simply dont want to add to their cap.

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    Spurs last semi realistic possibility to get Kirilenko is trough a S&T. It will end up Wednesday when Minny will likely sign Kevin Martin and will have to renounce at Kirilenko's bird rights.

    At least, rumors won't drag during the whole summer.

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    Spurs last semi realistic possibility to get Kirilenko is trough a S&T. It will end up Wednesday when Minny will likely sign Kevin Martin and will have to renounce at Kirilenko's bird rights.

    At least, rumors won't drag during the whole summer.

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    right now it probably would look like this:

    Parker/Joseph/DeColo
    Green/Ginobili/Mills
    Leonard/Belinelli
    Duncan/Diaw/Bonner
    Splitter/Pendegraph/Baynes

    (Manu actually will play some PG and Mills will be together on the court with Nando/Manu)

    short playoff rotation:
    Parker/Joseph
    Green/Ginobili
    Leonard/Belinelli
    Duncan/Diaw
    Splitter

    (with Leonard playing small ball 4 thats ok)

    That said: A true backup SF would be nice (even better if he can play some PF for the playoffs too) and we could afford loosing Nando/Mills in order to get one (I don't see mills leaving).

    F*** AK47 is just what is missing
    I like the way that looks. I don't think SF is a good idea for Manu but Marco, yeah, maybe. Also do you think Pendergraph is ahead of Baynes? Would like to see him on the Summer League. Would be interesting to see both Baynes and Pendergraph, but I think Jims addition as the big man coach is going to make a difference.

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    Pendergraph is a four-year vet who can play multiple positions. He'll be ahead of Baynes in the rotation. I actually am not sure Baynes will make it out of training camp, as much as I like him. He's the only player on the roster right now with a non-guaranteed deal.

    The real question is if Pendergraph will get time over Bonner.

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    Is there any confirmation about Baynes playing Summer League? It will be big for him.

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    Pendergraph is a four-year vet who can play multiple positions. He'll be ahead of Baynes in the rotation. I actually am not sure Baynes will make it out of training camp, as much as I like him. He's the only player on the roster right now with a non-guaranteed deal.

    The real question is if Pendergraph will get time over Bonner.
    I'm pulling hard for Baynes. He's got some skill for a man his size, he just needs to put it all together. Plus, he's great to have around when we play teams big centers. He'd be nice to have to throw at Dwight when we face Houston too. He played him unbelievably well in the first round.

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    I like the way that looks. I don't think SF is a good idea for Manu but Marco, yeah, maybe. Also do you think Pendergraph is ahead of Baynes? Would like to see him on the Summer League. Would be interesting to see both Baynes and Pendergraph, but I think Jims addition as the big man coach is going to make a difference.
    Not 100% sure about Pendergraph and Baynes. Just thinking that Pendergraph is making more money and probably will be more flexible (Baynes is for Dwight and Memphis). I like both of them but doubt either will play a big role come playoff time.

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    Bruno which out of these teams still have more than MLE?

    Atlanta, Charlotte, Cleveland, Dallas, Detroit, Houston, Milwaukee, Orlando, Philadelphia, Portland, Sacramento and Utah.

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    Pendergraph is a four-year vet who can play multiple positions. He'll be ahead of Baynes in the rotation. I actually am not sure Baynes will make it out of training camp, as much as I like him. He's the only player on the roster right now with a non-guaranteed deal.

    The real question is if Pendergraph will get time over Bonner.
    Weren't you just speaking about expectations? A 4 year vet that can play multiple positions? I guess. But what he really is, is someone who's been in the league 4 years, blown out his knee, not really stuck on any team (Spurs are his 3rd team now in that 4 years) and could not really beat out very below average players for PT on Indy.

    Not sure where you get this "he will beat out Baynes" and "can play mulitple positions" stuff from to be completely honest. I mean, he may be able to do those things but he hasn't shown the ability to do it consistently nor at a high level. He hasn't even ever played in that many games nor posted an above average PER in a single season.

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    Alright, let's cut the crap and get this done:

    S&T of AK for:

    Bonner
    Nando
    Mills
    Neal

    Neal's new salary will have to be adjusted to make the trade work.
    MN gets a spread 4 in bonner to backup Love when he sits, they also get a shooter in Neal.
    And yes, they get more PGs that they dont need but they are short contracts so they can participate in the FA bonanza of 2014.
    Pop's man crush for bonner ends.



    AKs camp is pushing for a S&T ( Andrei Kirilenko's camp is also pushing for a sign-and-trade, says Wolfson, but the Wolves are more likely to simply renounce his rights. http://www.hoopsrumors.com/minnesota-timberwolves/) , plus MN only has, what, 8 signed players after waiving Stiemsma??




    Sorry, had to get it out of my system.....

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    9 after signing Kevin Martin....

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    Weren't you just speaking about expectations? A 4 year vet that can play multiple positions? I guess. But what he really is, is someone who's been in the league 4 years, blown out his knee, not really stuck on any team (Spurs are his 3rd team now in that 4 years) and could not really beat out very below average players for PT on Indy.

    Not sure where you get this "he will beat out Baynes" and "can play mulitple positions" stuff from to be completely honest. I mean, he may be able to do those things but he hasn't shown the ability to do it consistently nor at a high level. He hasn't even ever played in that many games nor posted an above average PER in a single season.
    We're talking about the fifth-big spot here. A player in that role isn't supposed to have an illustrious resume. But the Spurs chose to guarantee money to a player (and more than the minimum at that) much earlier in the off-season than they would have if they thought he was going to be the sixth big. This wasn't a training camp invite here. What's true is that Pendergraph has shown in his small sample size that he has the skills to play out on the perimeter and in the post. Baynes has a cool-looking jumper that I hope gets better, but the team clearly doesn't see him as a four. Pendergraph could very well see time at both spots this season.

    The Spurs are his third team in five years, not four. That may seem like it doesn't matter, but it makes a difference. The Blazers cut him after he got injured, but they loved him before that. He was so highly thought of that he received a higher-than-minimum offer even though he was still recovering. Then he played out his contract and managed to get another raise, due in large part to his personal coach vouching for him. He's improved each of the last two seasons. He's a bit of a journeyman, but he's not camp fodder.

    It's no secret I want to see Pendergraph be another success story and end up solidifying a spot in the rotation. But I'd be fine seeing Baynes do that instead. I just think that Pendergraph has his spot on the roster guaranteed, while Baynes doesn't. Aron is pretty much in direct compe ion with the summer-league bigs for a spot right now. Jeff would have to be horrible for the Spurs to cut him.

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    Pendergraph is a four-year vet who can play multiple positions. He'll be ahead of Baynes in the rotation. I actually am not sure Baynes will make it out of training camp, as much as I like him. He's the only player on the roster right now with a non-guaranteed deal.

    The real question is if Pendergraph will get time over Bonner.
    According to Sham Baynes' deal is guaranteed.

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    player on the roster right now with a non-guaranteed deal.
    AFAIK, Baynes contract is fully guaranteed.

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    I thought part of getting Baynes over mid-season was that they gave him guaranteed money?

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    According to Sham Baynes' deal is guaranteed.
    AFAIK, Baynes contract is fully guaranteed.


    I thought part of getting Baynes over mid-season was that they gave him guaranteed money?


    Indeed it is. That's good to know, thanks. I didn't want the team to have incentive to cut him over other players.

    But having six bigs under guaranteed contracts this early is interesting. It'll be interesting to see if it stays that way.

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    Bruno which out of these teams still have more than MLE?

    Atlanta, Charlotte, Cleveland, Dallas, Detroit, Houston, Milwaukee, Orlando, Philadelphia, Portland, Sacramento and Utah.
    7 remains: Atlanta, Cleveland, Dallas, Detroit, Orlando, Philadelphia and Sacramento.

    Wolfson is reporting that Kirilenko's camp is pushing for a S&T. It means that there is a least one team, outside these 7 teams, that has offered Kirilenko a contract he would be willing to sign. If you removes teams above the apron who can't receive a player in a S&T, about 18 teams could have made Kirilenko that offer. Spurs are one of these 18 teams.

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    Chinook is a ....Danny Green shooting off the dribble...please.

    You're a joke

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