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Basically AK wants to go to a contender. But of the 7 teams with an MLE none are contenders thus he's pushing for a S&T, more than likely with a contender.
Hope I'm understanding this right.
So pointless. It's not my fault you are too stuck in your confirmation bias to look at a stat sheet.
Or do you want to look foolish by questioning sample size again?
Basically AK wants to go to a contender. But of the 7 teams with an MLE none are contenders thus he's pushing for a S&T, more than likely with a contender.
Hope I'm understanding this right.
I'm Jk bud. But seriously your sample size was 3 shots out of 30......
No, my sample size was bigger than that. Those were examples of off-dribble threes he took in the Finals. Not only was that enough to show he can do it, but I showed stats for all the long twos he took during year, nearly all of which (I can't think of any that weren't) were off the dribble.
Your only defense was that you can't remember any, and then you tried to suggest a poll. Then I just let it lie there, and you brought it up again.
I don't think chinooks is advocating a Manu Ginobili or a similar role to what kawhi leonard should be getting next year. Green just needs to come up with a counter move against defenders the closes on him. A floater ( highly unlikely, although you would hope he could develop that). But a dribble and fast release from mid-range is realistic to learn this summer IMO.
These 7 teams could offer Kirilenko more than the MLE, which is what he is seeking. If one of these teams were really interested in Kirilenko, they would likely jut sign him without needing a S&T.
It looks like there is at least one team that is looking to get Kirilenko through a S&T. Now, You can remove:
- Teams with cap space because a S&T wouldn't be needed for them.
- Teams with a really high payroll because the new CBA forbid them to get a player thorugh S&T.
- Teams that are loaded at the forward spots.
- Teams in full rebuilding mode who won't go after an aging Kirilenko.
I haven't do the counting, but, at the end, there should have about 10 teams that are realistic landing spots for a Kirilenko S&T. Spurs are obviously one of these 10 teams.
Wolfson also said that this S&T scenario wasn't the most likely one and that the more likely would be Minny renounced to Kirilenko's bird rights.
Danny Green is a spot up shooter.
His finals stats aren't indicative of his skill set considering the performance was an anomaly. Spurs aren't going to call an iso for him at the top of the key, which is an indication of what your stats are attempting to imply.
neal played backup point for the whole season when he's obviously an sg.. belinelli got to statpad as much as he wanted, and still got nowhere and not even got extended by a team lacking any bench..
(also, according to 82games.com , belinelli played the point exactly 0% of the time)
Last edited by Raven; 07-08-2013 at 05:48 PM.
No, the original discussion was about if Green could shoot off the dribble. I said he can and that he had done so throughout the year. Then he asked for examples. I said he did so a few times during the Finals, and he also did so on his long twos.
Green can shoot the ball off the dribble, as in he has that skill already established in his game. But because a play that gets Green a shot that isn't a three-pointer or a layup is such a low priority for the offense, we only rarely saw it. Green has a lot of things he needs to work on, but his poor Finals showing from inside the arch actually biases people in the opposite direction. He's not nearly as bad scoring from two as he seemed in the Finals; he's just incredibly inconsistent.
no he didnt.neal played backup point for the whole season when he's obviously an sg
lolbelinelli got to statpad as much as he wanted
Neal, Kawhi, and Manu have done enough to get attempts within the arc as wings to serve as a reasonable comparison for us figure that Green's dribbling skills aren't up to par, regardless of how many of his attempts are technically classified as off the dribble.
Green getting those plays called (or rarely called) for him is a result of his skill set, so arguing that his stats are a result of those play calls is a faulty argument imo. He does a great job in getting open and reading the defender, but his scoring opportunities aren't generated by his handles.
, man... Make up another thread about Green's ball handling skills. Every time I see a new post in this thread, I'm hoping for some good news that is on topic. Take this debate elsewhere.
I think we can all agree that Green sucks at trying to create his own shot and has a difficult time dribbling the ball. The same thing happened last year and I said this last year "Good player just needs to learn how to dribble the ball.....How can you be in the NBA and not know how to dribble?. He needs to play this summer on some team and he needs to be the PG.....I don't care if it is a high school team play PG the whole summer.
This is probably where most of the disagreement is coming from. Being able to shoot off the dribble has nothing to do with how well one dribbles. The skill is that a player can get into a consistent shooting motion when they are dribbling the ball, which is markedly more difficult than getting into a shooting motion after catching the ball while set. What some people are trying to argue is that Green can't get his own shot, meaning he can't consistently (or even usually) beat his man off the dribble and nail a pull-up shot. We all agree on that, and I have no problem admitting he needs to add that to his game to be a more-complete player.
But shooting off the dribble has more uses than just being able to get one's own shot. It allows players to make shots off screens and to pull up on the break drain a three. Green can do that, so that already makes him more than just a spot-up shooter. But his handles prevent him from being a good option to get into a pull-up situation, since he probably holds the ball the least amount of game time out of any of the starters outside of Splitter (at least ideally). So even though Green CAN hit threes off the dribble, under no normal cir stances would Pop want Green to end the Spurs' possessions that way (and neither do Spurs fans, seeing as so many of us hate when Neal and Ginobili do it). But when Danny is on a hot streak, he will call his own number shoot pull-ups, as he showed in the Heat series.
So to reiterate, Green is not a good dribbler. He should not try to beat his man off the dribble and get his own shot unless/until he develops better handles. But that doesn't mean he's just a spot-up shooter. His ability to hit open threes in many different cir stances (off-dribble, off-screen, transition and spot-up) makes him a shooter in Ray Allen's vein (not in his caliber, at least not yet), not in Bowen's or Mike Miller's. As Pop showed against Golden State, the Spurs understand that Green can do more with his skill set than he has shown. I imagine they'll build on the plays they actually did call for him next year.
I agree, I thought this thread was about AK47!!!!
You're right. I'm moving to the thread Mac created. Sorry for the inconvenience.
then the discussion is an argument about semantics
but yeah, forget this. C'mon AK-47, please get to us via S&t
You are delusional if you don't think Rockets got a lot better.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--ca...015715453.html
Bynum, 25, left Cleveland to travel to Atlanta to meet with Hawks officials, and Cleveland has begun to engage free agents Andrei Kirilenko and Elton Brand on possible one-year deals that would preclude the Cavaliers from the ability to sign Bynum, league sources said.
Kirilenko makes sense for Cleveland, but they aren't going to give him a long term deal like he wants.
Like a lot of people, I've been hoping AK47 would come our way. The fact that he would probably be a great fit is hard to deny. He's friends with TP and Pop is a fan, I've been told. We don't have a backup for Kawhi and he'd be a great small ball PF. It could still happen I suppose, but the silence is deafening. I have a one track mind about the team right now; redemption. Every little move that could help us win is all I care about. The two players we acquired seem like fair enough subs utes for Neal and Blair. Maybe they are an improvement? Now I'm wondering if the FO thinks AK47 is the improvement we need the most. Kawhi is sure to play big minutes and Diaw was pretty impressive in the playoffs. Do we have enough minutes? Would backing up Kawhi and being the 3rd or 4th big be enough for him? I'd like to think it would, and that playing on a winning and focused team would be more important than anything else. Is TP's backup going to be covered by CJ, Patty, or Nando? I think a move is coming, just don't know if it's going to happen this summer....
As I understand by reading this thread and Bruno's info in the think tank forum is that Kirilenko wants to play for a contender BUT he also wants a long term deal. According to what everyone's info here on Spurstalk is that the only way the Spurs can sign him is on a S/T deal or amnesty Bonner and let go Nando, right? So Cleveland is not a possibility where he would go. Bruno? Chinook? Coyote? Anyone?
Woj says this was our guy. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--sp...052544949.html
Figures.
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