Because he's not a centerpiece and Manu is falling off so having a specialist at the starting 2 is not such a no brainer anymore...
The Spurs are great at finding and polishing guards, there's a track record that suggests it's what they do best... Now in two years you have to pay him, most likely big money. So this is the George Hill dilemna all over again... Maybe the answer is different but the question is there, in two years do they want to pay Green big money?
I think they ed up with Tiago, they should have played him sooner to determine his value in time to have the option to trade him. I would have liked that option better but it is what it is now... 4*9M for a role player, nobody can love that contract...
In this league these 8 to 10M contracts for role players are bad value, it's much better to have real stars and complementary player paid 4-6M like Green now, Tiago before, Diaw, Bonner...
If they don't trade him or Tiago the Spurs are gonna overpay two role players...
Name a guard besides Green that the Spurs have "polished" for the role Green currently fills? And don't even try to say Neal, since no one besides you would take him over Green. The Spurs haven't had a two-guard as good as Green (not counting Ginobili) in the Duncan era. I don't think people who want to trade him fully appreciate that.
Green isn't starting because of Ginobili -- he's starting because of Parker. Joseph got minutes over De Colo because of Ginobili. Green's shooting and movement fit perfectly with Parker, and his defense fits in perfectly with Leonard. The fact that Ginobili's fading doesn't change the fact that Green's great in the starting lineup.
Green's worth about twice as much as he's making. In two years, if he's still on the team and playing well, he'll earn every big of the $6-7.5 Million a year his new contract would call for. If Danny were a free agent this off-season, he'd probably get that from the Spurs as readily as Splitter got his money.
Last edited by Chinook; 07-11-2013 at 04:29 PM.
You don't realize exactly how much NBA players get paid, do you? Most $7-10 Million players aren't stars unless they're on second deals and are just breaking out. Stars get paid in the $12-20 Million per year range, depending on age.
Seriously, what this team needs is a SF who can play ten minutes without actively shooting baskets for the other team and we're talking about trading Danny Green?
They have developped plenty of guards is all I'm saying, it's way easier than finding bigs.
And you're making my point, do you sign Green to 7-8M (I think he could get that much right now) in 2 years if Parker leaves? It's like Tiago without Tim, his value goes down all of a sudden...
George Hill to begin with, who they traded because they didn't like the idea of paying him big money, that's precisely the debate with Green, he has high trade value but if they like the idea of paying him in two years when they are rebuilding then sure you keep him...
They traded Hill specifically because he didn't develop the way they wanted.
Splitter produces just fine without Duncan. If anything, he produces better, because Duncan messes up spacing (not as badly as Splitter does for him, though). The Spurs will be worse when Duncan leaves because Duncan's a once-in-a-lifetime player, not because Splitter's stats are propped up disproportionately by Duncan's presence.
Green is also a perfect compliment to Leonard, especially if Kawhi takes off offensively the way a lot of people are hoping. It's not like he'll become useless as soon as Parker's not there to draw defenders. And that's already assuming that Green doesn't get better in the next two years. If he works on getting his own shot at all (he tried this season with mixed but encouraging results) then he could definitely be valuable to an Old Parker/Actualized Leonard/Max Free Agent core for the next seven years.
Green's an extremely rare player in the league. He's not just a 3-and-D player like Sefalosha or Battier. He's arguably the best assisted-three-point shooter and transition defender in the league. How many times does it make sense to trade a player who's top-3 in categories on both sides of the ball in addition to above-average in many others?
Nope. If he would have been the player Green is, they would have had no problem paying him. But he was even more inconsistent than Green on offense and much more limited than Green on defense. And even if that's the same case (it's not), then it surely doesn't make sense to trade him this off-season, as he'll never drive them into the luxury tax the way Hill may have.
So they didn't develop Hill and Green is a centerpiece ok...
Everyone can have their opinion on the matter, but there's indeed a case for trading Green...
Is that confirmed? My impression was that they really liked him, but a starter at the 3 was more important than a third guard given that we already had two all stars.
All three TBH. Money, development & SF need.
They liked him -- not so much as the backup point guard they wanted in the first place.
Wait, did you just say that he's not just a 3-and-D player because he's really good at shooting 3 pointers and defending?
Ok, makes sense.
Green isn't a centerpiece in the way that Duncan or Parker is. But he is borderline essential to the team's run. Not only do the Spurs not make it as far without him, but they don't make it nearly as far.
Hill didn't develop much after his second season. He still hasn't, two years later. Green was already as good as Hill at filling Hill's old Spurs role the second he started to get playing time. Now, he's so far past what Hill could do there that it's not even fair to compare them. I think we'll see Cory Joseph eclipse Hill's Spurs production next season.
Seriously, go back and watch a game from 2009-2011. The Spurs were awful when Hill was a key cog.
Meaning not a run-of-the-mill 3-and-D player like the others. Usually that term just applies to above-average man defenders who just spot up in the corner. Green's so much more than that.Wait, did you just say that he's not just a 3-and-D player because he's really good at shooting 3 pointers and defending?
Ok, fair enough. I just thought that was a pretty funny construction, was all.
One surprising thing though: Battier obviously has his best days behind him by now, but do you really think that right now, Danny Green is better than Battier was at his peak?
They're such different players. Green is more athletic and relies on his length and hands to prevent scores. Battier moved his feet extremely well and he was (and still is) great at beating defenders to spots. If Green learned to approximate some Battier's strengths on D, he'd be a better defender than Leonard, who should never try to learn to play defense that way.Ok, fair enough. I just thought that was a pretty funny construction, was all.
One surprising thing though: Battier obviously has his best days behind him by now, but do you really think that right now, Danny Green is better than Battier was at his peak?
Offensively, Battier is taller and took advantage of that by having a good post game. Green is just a more dynamic shooter, and he'd probably be a better cutter if he committed to it more often instead of aborting half-way through. Green should try to get a post game going some time in the future. If he could take advantage of posting up smaller guards on cross-matches, he'd have a great steady flow of offense that no one has to make for him.
Last edited by Chinook; 07-11-2013 at 05:33 PM.
lol gtfo
Danny Green is mentally weak people!! you can't change a person's make-up if that's who they are. That's the difference between him and Kawhi sir.
The league is littered with Danny Green like players!! He gets wide open shots constantly; play defense on him and voila NO Cojones!
Kawai Leonard doesn't look for acceptance from LeBron James or Dwayne Wade like opponents. He just takes it and that kind of player you need when you're looking to make advancement from just a good player to a great player!! Danny's out there making friends and trying to be one of the guys with opponents: Kawhi is out there trying to win rings.
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