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Spurs could land Ariza for a Blair headed out of town and Bonner and Spurs fan would still .
Some of you are happy the Spurs lost game 7. You know who you are.
That's basically a steal trade. I disagree a bit with Bruno. While Bonner + Blair know the Spurs system well, I like the idea of Baynes + Pendergraph better. I think they are more talented overall than Bonner + Blair.
Spurs could land Ariza for a Blair headed out of town and Bonner and Spurs fan would still .
Some of you are happy the Spurs lost game 7. You know who you are.
I would love ariza but u don't c the wizards doing it for Blair
I'm having a hard time seeing Bonner traded, he played very well defensively against LA (mainly against Houston's new C, Howard) and Memphis' bigs, knocked down some shots too. This was probably his best playoff performance ever, and I think it may have saved his ass from FINALLY being traded.
No, not for just Blair, salaries don't match. It have to be for Bonner and Blair.
In that case we can pray,would love to unload bonner
Would Spurs be able to re-sign Ariza next year (for less) if they get him?
Would Blair + mills+ Nando work salary wise if Blair earns 4m? Spurs resign Neal. I just don't see pop moving bonner as long as he needs a floor spacer with Howard and the Grizz boys in the division
Spurs are deeper at the guard spots than in the paint.
That's a two way street. I never said Ariza was untouchable, but his value and ceiling is higher than Blairs. There are other teams in this league that could easily top that deal if Ariza was truly on the block. You can talk about how the Spurs don't have to take their crap, but neither do the Wizards. They could easily hold out until the trade deadline to wheel and deal instead of just settling. Anyways, the Spurs can't make a Blair/ Ariza swap without including other players. De Colo has zero value, Baynes hasn't proven himself, and the aforementioned Bonner's sole value is his expiring contract. I'm not sure it would make much sense to trade an expiring for an expiring over a measly 3 million dollars from a Washington standpoint. Blair isn't resignig here and yes, the Spurs don't neccessarily have to help the Wizards out, but watching how this organization operates, they most likely will.
I'm not too high on Ariza. I wonder if Orlando are still looking to trade Afflalo? I know he plays SG but he could probably hold his own at SF. He doesn't play small, if anything he plays bigger than what he is. I wonder if Orlando would accept;
Spurs Receive
Aaron Afflalo
Wizards Receive
DeJuan Blair
Matt Bonner
Orlando Receives
Trevor Ariza (expiring contract, Afflalo has three more seasons owed. Magic save about $15m).
First round pick (from Spurs)
Only bad thing is Afflalo has a player option for a third year. If he picks that up it could eat into our cap space leading into 15/16 season. I guess even if he does pickup that player option it should be easy to salary dump a $7.75m expiring Afflalo...
One huge thing to consider in all of this, how is Blair ever going to pass his physical???
Technically, yes. But realistically, in both cases we're talking about rotation caliber players filling non rotation spots. So it's about the principal. You're either for that or you're not.
Also add to that that Afflalo's not very good.
Disagree.
Try Gortat and Phoenix. They could take DeColo, Ariza and pick
Ariza's been on the block for years now. That's why he's been trade twice already. Both times were pretty much just as salary filler. He's not that good. In fact, if his deal weren't expiring, I don't think very many people on this board would want him.
Blair isn't the Spurs "crap"; he's the player the Wizards want. Meanwhile, there isn't a player in Washington the Spurs want, so Ariza may be the only option. While they certainly may deal him at the deadline, I imagine his expiring deal is more valuable for them to keep. Maybe someone throws an expiring and a pick for him, but even that's debatable.You can talk about how the Spurs don't have to take their crap, but neither do the Wizards. They could easily hold out until the trade deadline to wheel and deal instead of just settling.
Ariza's main value is his expiring contract as well. So if the Wizards and parlay that into a player they want and another medium-sized expiring, they're not exactly getting hosed. In general, Ariza just doesn't have a ton of value. I don't know what makes you think he does.Anyways, the Spurs can't make a Blair/ Ariza swap without including other players. De Colo has zero value, Baynes hasn't proven himself, and the aforementioned Bonner's sole value is his expiring contract. I'm not sure it would make much sense to trade an expiring for an expiring over a measly 3 million dollars from a Washington standpoint.
Actually, the organization will rarely does other teams favors. They often complain about certain acquisitions (the Gasol trade was a big example of this). They probably aren't looking to help out Washington so much as they would help Blair go where he wants to go. However, that doesn't mean the team will take a bad deal from Washington. They could very easily insist that the Wizards find a third team to use to create a trade exception so that they don't have to take back any salary. They're not going to take back someone they don't want, because they are probably just fine letting Blair walk for nothing.Blair isn't resignig here and yes, the Spurs don't neccessarily have to help the Wizards out, but watching how this organization operates, they most likely will.
Last edited by Chinook; 07-13-2013 at 06:26 PM.
Too bad. He's not. And he's a two-guard. At his absolute peak, he's not much better than Green was last season. Definitely not worth his deal to the Spurs.
We're talking small ball 4 here. Not the natural 4.
I see a pattern of Chinook overrating Spurs players and underratng other players. Now Ariza isn't that good? Com'on dude. Ariza would be an amazing fit for the backup swingman position on this team.
Dunno why you're generalizing based off this thread of all things. I said he'd be a good addition and defended him for half the thread against people saying he wouldn't. I'm saying that the Wizards don't want him and he's attainable. He's not good enough to have a high stock.
I read this
He's not that good.
but if you said he'd be a good addition then nevermind
I should have put "that" in all caps. He's a good fit for this team, but he does not have high stock. I mean, , he's been traded twice on this contract already.
imho a smallball 4 has to be able to defend every 4 aside from the gasols of the game. You can't be forced not to play him just because your opponent is playing amir johnson, can you?
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