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    Oh really? Care to explain the pieces we were giving up for AK47 then?
    Unlike Ariza, Kirilenko can play PF.

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    Unlike Ariza, Kirilenko can play PF.
    Ariza should be able to play small ball 4.

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    There are still god vet bigmen like Brand, Jamison, K Mart or Maxiell but they should get more than the min. For the min, the best Spurs could get are player like Wilcox but they aren't really upgrades over Pendergraph. There is a Greg Oden gamble as said in the post just after yours. Spurs could also get Vesely in addition of Ariza to compensate Bonner's departure.
    I don't really see the bigs being a need in a Bonner and Blair trade for Ariza. It wouldn't be too different from amnestying Bonner and signing Kirilenko. Ariza is pretty much the same size as Leonard, and his wingspan is only two inches shorter than AK's. One of Pendergraph or Baynes was hopefully going to be the fourth big, anyway. I sure don't see a reason to think Vesely would be better than them. I'd rather bring in another project big and play a lot of small-ball than to get a sixth big just for the heck of it.

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    I'm curious to see what Pittman can do during the the course of the summer league. He's in the best condition of his life right now

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    Ariza should be able to play small ball 4.
    I agree. Ariza has a good wingspan, and he's a good defender. Most of the time, the Spurs play small to allow Leonard to match up with the opposing four, anyway, so Trevor should be fine being a three in that case. Also, having Ariza would make me much more confident in the Spurs' ability to handle a Leonard injury. It took Green several games to get a hang of playing small-forward. At least Trevor knows how to play the position.

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    The issue of a trade like Blair and Bonner for Ariza is that it would leave Spurs very thin inside. I'm not sure that Pendergraph and Baynes are enough to complement Splitter, Duncan and Diaw.
    A 5 man big rotation isn't exactly thin. Especially with the way our roster has shaped up, I think we're moving even more into the direction of the small ball philosophy then ever and we should see KL at the 4 a lot.

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    I agree. Ariza has a good wingspan, and he's a good defender. Most of the time, the Spurs play small to allow Leonard to match up with the opposing four, anyway, so Trevor should be fine being a three in that case. Also, having Ariza would make me much more confident in the Spurs' ability to handle a Leonard injury. It took Green several games to get a hang of playing small-forward. At least Trevor knows how to play the position.

    And in that scenario Thomas potentially to complement Leonard if he can sharpen up

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    I agree. Ariza has a good wingspan, and he's a good defender. Most of the time, the Spurs play small to allow Leonard to match up with the opposing four, anyway, so Trevor should be fine being a three in that case. Also, having Ariza would make me much more confident in the Spurs' ability to handle a Leonard injury. It took Green several games to get a hang of playing small-forward. At least Trevor knows how to play the position.

    And also, Leonard and Ariza would be able to switch everything together as well.

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    I wouldn't be against a De Colo + Blair for Vesely.

    Vesely has been terrible in Washington but he was very promising in Europe. Wizards selfish losing basketball is an horrible fit for him and he would be so much better in Spurs system. Chip can also help him to fix his shot.
    imho he was a sure fire bust since his experience at Partizan, why would anyone draft a sf that can't knock down fts or shoot anything away from the rim, is beyond me. I agree with the trade opportunity, and the chances to make him better, but i don't agree with your statement about him being promising in Europe.

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    With teams going alot smaller I think Leonard, Ariza, and even Thomas (if he's kept) could hold down some minutes at the 4 with no problem. Look, if Bonner can play the 4, then these other guys should have no problem holding there own.

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    Very true, but if they then added Oden?

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    Ariza should be able to play small ball 4.
    Kirilenko is both stronger and taller, has a larger skillset and is simply a far better all around player than Ariza will ever be.

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    And in that scenario Thomas potentially to complement Leonard if he can sharpen up
    If the Spurs were to trade for Ariza and sign Thomas to fill Bonner's spot in the rotation, then the team would have a ton of small-ball options. I don't see Thomas factoring into the Spurs' plans in that scenario, though. I think they'd give him a year in Austin to work at becoming Ariza's replacement as Leonard's backup.

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    If all of this conjecture about Ariza is true and the Spurs or not moved by it then the Wizards must not be offering him.

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    You can always send Bonner there, Wizards release him with extended clause, and he is back in SA. Or did new CBA prohibited such moves?

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    Kirilenko is both stronger and taller, has a larger skillset and is simply a far better all around player than Ariza will ever be.
    AK is better than TA in general, but as far as how he'd fit on the Spurs, it's sort of overblown. They're pretty much the same height, although Kirilenko is heavier. They rebound about the same per minute, and AK only scores about one more point per 36 than Ariza. Kirilenko is a better shot-blocker, which makes a difference but doesn't matter too much for the Spurs. Ariza is a better shooter, which matters a lot on the Spurs.

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    Out of curiosity, is there a way to sign and trade Neal and Blair (along with Colo and/or Bonner) to get Nene or Okafor? I think the Spurs need another big guy to help with the Howard and Asik duo.
    Parker Joseph
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    Leonard Green
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    Splitter Okafor

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    Out of curiosity, is there a way to sign and trade Neal and Blair (along with Colo and/or Bonner) to get Nene or Okafor? I think the Spurs need another big guy to help with the Howard and Asik duo.
    Parker Joseph
    Ginobili Belinelli
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    Nope there isnt. Wizard arent going to tank next year.

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    Out of curiosity, is there a way to sign and trade Neal and Blair (along with Colo and/or Bonner) to get Nene or Okafor? I think the Spurs need another big guy to help with the Howard and Asik duo.
    Parker Joseph
    Ginobili Belinelli
    Leonard Green
    Duncan Diaw
    Splitter Okafor
    Yes, they could make a trade to bring back Okafor if Washington wanted to risk going into the tax. No, that wouldn't be a good idea. And no, the answer to the wing rotation's problems isn't to dramatically reduce Green's minutes to let Ginobili start.

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    Kirilenko is both stronger and taller, has a larger skillset and is simply a far better all around player than Ariza will ever be.
    And that has to do with Ariza being capable of playing small ball 4 becauseee?

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    The deadline to pick Vesely 2014-2015 team option is November 1st 2013. They will have to decide at the end of the training camp.

    If Spurs wouldnt pick up TO, they still have rights to Vesely after season as RFA?

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    If the Spurs were to trade for Ariza and sign Thomas to fill Bonner's spot in the rotation, then the team would have a ton of small-ball options. I don't see Thomas factoring into the Spurs' plans in that scenario, though. I think they'd give him a year in Austin to work at becoming Ariza's replacement as Leonard's backup.
    As he still very raw defensively and unlikely to grasp the totallity of the 3 position any time soon this would be a smart scenario to play out.


    or we could send him overseas, ala Denmon, and not have to sign him this yr, although in that scenario he wouldn't have the advantage of playing in the spurs/toros system and their be no guarantee he'd be playing the 4.


    This is just emphasizing the fact that we need to free up a roster spot attain a 3/4 and keep a talented project in Thomas without rescinding his rights.

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    As a Vesely fan since his days in Partizan,i would love him to see him in Spurs jersey.He's biggest problem is he didn't develop his game in Europe enough,basically came unprepared for the Nba basketball.

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    As he still very raw defensively and unlikely to grasp the totallity of the 3 position any time soon this would be a smart scenario to play out.


    or we could send him overseas, ala Denmon, and not have to sign him this yr, although in that scenario he wouldn't have the advantage of playing in the spurs/toros system and their be no guarantee he'd be playing the 4.


    This is just emphasizing the fact that we need to free up a roster spot attain a 3/4 and keep a talented project in Thomas without rescinding his rights.
    Remember, that if he's already agreed to go overseas, the Spurs get to keep his rights.

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    If the Wizards are desirous of a S&T that means they're planning on paying Blair more than the minimum. Seriously, in what world is he deserving of that contract?

    Well, I just hope we trade him outside of our conference. Playing for Washington we'd only have to see him twice a year, and never in the playoffs. Lord knows our ability to limit playblair's appearances on this forum are critical.

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