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    Some people are going to go crazy at the statement that Kobe is overrated, so let’s just take a look at the stats. PER is Player Efficiency Rating, which is a rating of a players effectiveness per minute. How does Kobe stack up? Since the 06-07 season Kobe has never been in the top four in PER, and has only cracked the top ten twice. He has never had the best PER out of SG’s (is either beaten by Ginobli or Wade) and has only had a better PER than LeBron once. Now let’s look at Win Shares. This stat examines how Kobe effects the number of wins his team has. Since 06-07 Kobe has not been in the top 10 and has been outside the top twenty twice. The 15 guys that have had seasons with the highest Win Shares are listed below.




    1. Michael Jordan
    2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
    3. Wilt Chamberlain
    4. Shaquille O’Neal
    5. Magic Johnson
    6. Oscar Robertson
    7. Charles Barkley
    8. Tim Duncan
    9. Larry Bird
    10. Jerry West
    11. Dirk Nowitzki
    12. Bob Pet
    13. Artis Gilmore
    14. Julius Erving
    15. Bill Russell

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    All NBA Defense


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    Is the trend clear? There have been 3 players who’ve dominated the All-Defensive team for the past decade: Bryant, Garnett, and Tim Duncan. Over any extended period, Garnett dominates the list, Duncan is near the top of the list, and Bryant is pretty much at the bottom.

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    No. The more damning thing is that every metric I’ve broken down here has Kobe’s defensive impact as utterly average. -0.8, -0.6, 0.1, 0.1, these are not numbers of someone who is consistently a game changer on defense. The other guys given even half the love Kobe’s gotten over the year, pretty consistently do turn up on these metric doing quite well.

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    Now you're making ME feel bad.

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    Don't believe me? 82games.com keeps track of a player's effect on team defense by measuring the team's defensive efficiency when the player is on and off the court. For example, take Dwight Howard, who is unsurprisingly the team's best defender. When Dwight is on the court, the Lakers give up 105.1 points per 100 possessions. When he is off the court, the Lakers give up 111.7, so Dwight's net defensive rating is -6.6.

    Metta World Peace's net is a strong -5.4. Steve Nash makes the defense worse with a net of +1.4. Where does Kobe stand? +3.2. Yes, he's worse than Nash. His net is matched by Antawn Jamison. Only Earl Clark's surprising +3.9 (no doubt skewed by his on-again, off-again participation in the rotation) prevents Kobe from being, statistically, the worst defender on the team.

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    Not a surprise Lakerfan makes a thread asking if FG% is overrated

    http://www.clublakers.com/nba-discussion/overrated-t124724.html

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    ^I'm here. I've been viewing all day.

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    MJ ting on Lakersfans per par!

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    ^I'm here. I've been viewing all day.
    Of course you've been VIEWING all day. That's all you can do. Hands tied, mouth taped, got you prisoner of war mother er! Christ.

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    Saltier than the Dead Sea

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    Of course you've been VIEWING all day. That's all you can do.
    Well considering that you want a Kobe vs MJ debate, I'm here to tell you that we still have Kobe 5 > 4 over Duncan, and quite honestly I'm fine with just that.

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    Well considering that you want a Kobe vs MJ debate, I'm here to tell you that we still have Kobe 5 > 4 over Duncan, and quite honestly I'm fine with just that.
    Of course you're fine with that. Kobe's stats don't look so good vs Me.

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    Saltier than the Dead Sea
    Stats, son. The salt you're experiencing has to do with the that is covering your eyes, nose, and lips.

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    Of course you're fine with that. Kobe's stats don't look so good vs me.

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    Stats, son. The salt you're experiencing has to do with the that is covering your eyes, nose, and lips.
    wtf? salt and ? thats the stupidest thing ive ever heard


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    wtf? salt and ? thats the stupidest thing ive ever heard

    contains salt you dumb mother er.

    http://www.chemistrydaily.com/chemistry/Semen

    mamba
    explaining why he's so in salty
    Doesn't even know what's in his favorite drink

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    contains salt you dumb mother er.

    http://www.chemistrydaily.com/chemistry/Semen

    mamba
    explaining why he's so in salty
    Doesn't even know what's in his favorite drink
    lover
    knows what it contains
    Milk with his Cereal
    baited like a


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