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Kobe at 111-111 without a big while LeBron was at 349-225 ( reg season) before going to Miami
Lakers avoiding this thread like Dwight avoiding condoms tbh
No amount of deflection can cancel out the truthbombs in this thread, tbh....
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Does the 111-111 include the stretch Lakers had this season without Pau,Dwight and Hill, tbh? They lost against my Spurs and some other teams with Kirby chucking 30 shots a game.Kobe at 111-111 without a big while LeBron was at 349-225 ( reg season) before going to Miami
It's probably worse than that. Those numbers are just from the seasons without all of them.
In 2004-05, Kobe logged 40.7 minutes per game for one of the 40 worst defensive teams in league history, with the Lakers' defense somehow getting 2.4 points worse when he was on the floor. That touched off an eight-year stretch over which Bryant still garnered seven All-Defense selections despite the Lakers being little more than an average defensive team -- and actually playing one point per 100 possessions worse defensively with Bryant in the game.
While not exactly on the same level as Derek Jeter's host of ill-gotten Gold Gloves, Bryant's annual All-Defense recognition seems more and more like a legacy pick with each passing year. Adjusted plus/minus suggests he's no more than an average defender at this stage of his career, and at age 34 his best defensive days are likely in the rearview mirror. Bryant ranks among the NBA's all-time great players, and is still one of its best offensive threats, but his defensive impact has been overstated for years.
Even with all the star power on his team in the last 4 seasons Kobe has only averaged 4.4 assists per game. Kobe does not pass enough, and even when he does he’s not very good at getting open shots for teammates.
This drives home the proof that there truly is not much of a compe ion in this comparison. Jordan has more les, but more importantly he demolishes Kobe in Finals MVPs which is a much more telling tale of a great champion. Why? For three of Kobe’s championship les he wasn’t even the best player on his team. Seriously, it’s like saying Derek Fisher’s five les (all won as a teammate of Kobe Bryant) are equal to Kobe’s when comparing a player’s legacy.
Then comes the Defensive Player of the Year award differential. Clearly, Jordan was a shut-down defender. And not only do I think that Kobe is an overrated defender, but so does his former coach, Phil Jackson. To quote the 11-time champion Zen Master on Kobe’s All-Defense First Team awards: “The voters have been seduced by his remarkable athleticism and spectacular steals, but he hasn’t played sound, fundamental defense.”
Per game statistics Kobe Bryant Michael Jordan Points 25.4 30.1 Rebounds 5.3 6.2 Assists 4.7 5.3 Steals 1.5 2.3 FG percentage .453 .497 3PT percentage .337 .327 Minutes 36.5 38.3 PER 23.5 27.9 eFG percentage .487 .509
Playoff per game statistics Kobe Bryant Michael Jordan Points 25.6 33.4 Rebounds 5.1 6.4 Assists 4.7 5.7 Steals 1.4 2.1 FG percentage .448 .487 3PT percentage .331 .332 Minutes 39.3 41.8 PER 22.4 28.6 eFG percentage .480 .503 Games played 220 179
Almost all his stats drop in the playoffs
And what about those scoring les? Kobe is supposed to be the greatest scorer in the league right? For one, two players, one of which has been in the league far shorter than Kobe, have more scoring les than he does. Yup, Allen Iverson and Kevin Durant both reigned supreme as the NBA’s leading scorer three times each during Kobe’s career. So there could even be a debate if Kobe is the best scorer of his own generation!
One’s performance in playoffs is “clutch” in the sense that it provides a glimpse into whether or not you can get it done in the games that matter most. Jordan’s six Finals MVPs to Kobe’s two only begin to tell the story. If you look at the greatest playoff performances of all time, Kobe has a grand total of zero in the top 10 compared to Jordan’s three which include the renowned “Flu Game,” as well as the 63 point game and the free throw jumper over Bryon Russell to seal the 1998 NBA Finals win for the Bulls. Not sold? Well, ESPN only gives Kobe one top-25 playoff performance all time (Jordan’s name appears eight times).
Chasing 23 lists every single clutch shot of Jordan’s career, where clutch is defined as “shot attempts made with the intent to either win or tie the game within the final 24 seconds, during which a player’s team is either tied or trails by three or fewer points.” The final verdict Jordan is 9 of 18 in such situations—or an astounding 50 percent. How about Kobe? A similar study finds Kobe with an unimpressive 7 of 27, or 26 percent.
In other words, Jordan is about twice as good as Kobe in last-second shot situations.
Kobe is a great player and deserves to be on the same playing field as some of the greatest of all time, but the reality is that he is significantly inferior to Jordan. Stats, awards, clutch performing, it all points in the same direction: Kobe vs. Jordan may be a comparison, but it is not a very compe ive one.
So, Kobe may believe that he has no rivals in the today’s game, but if he was playing in Jordan’s era, the great Air Jordan would express similar sentiments regarding Kobe.
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