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    What power supply do you have? Might be worth jumping up $100 to get to a 2080 Super just so you can be at XBox level. Gotta warn this gpu isn't going to age worth a for the price you'll pay. No card on the market right now will, as the gpu market has been pretty overpriced for a year and a half.

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    4k is not happening under $1k. At least for games like RDR2. I'm assuming you still have your older system with the GTX 970 and the Corsair micro ATX case plus your PSU, drives, and SSD, right? In that case I'd go something like:

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    CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor ($174.99 @ Amazon)
    Motherboard: ASRock X570M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($179.99 @ Amazon)
    Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($74.99 @ Newegg)
    Video Card: EVGA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB XC ULTRA GAMING Video Card ($503.98 @ Newegg)
    Total: $933.95
    Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
    Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-03-12 01:43 EDT-0400

    I usually hate recommending expensive boards but I would absolutely want something capable of running PCIE-4.0 SSD if I'm building today, so X570 is a must, and your X570 choices are super limited in the micro ATX form factor. But if you're not worried about that you could go with a cheaper B450 board and either upgrade the cpu to a Ryzen 7 3700X or the gpu to an RTX 2080 Super and still stay in budget. RTX 2070 Super will play a lot of current AAA games well at 4k (it's a little more powerful than the 1080 Ti), but it's a bit weaker than what has been revealed for the new XBox Series X.

    Also AMD is the way to go on cpu right now. Intel ing sucks unless you're able to spend $550 on an i9-9900k. Otherwise AMD's cpus are hands down better. And they're cheaper too.
    I can attest PCI Express 4.0 is the . Been smoking 5 GB/s on it, where you would normally peak at 2.5-3 on PCIE3.

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    I can attest PCI Express 4.0 is the . Been smoking 5 GB/s on it, where you would normally peak at 2.5-3 on PCIE3.
    You think Ryzen 5 3600 is a good buy for a gaming cpu? Or is it nuts to go lower than 8C/16T with PS5 and XBox Shiri X sporting 8C/16T?

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    You think Ryzen 5 3600 is a good buy for a gaming cpu? Or is it nuts to go lower than 8C/16T with PS5 and XBox Shiri X sporting 8C/16T?
    Frankly, I don't know much about desktop Ryzen other than what people comment out there. Heard they're solid CPUs, but haven't played with them myself.

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    Frankly, I don't know much about desktop Ryzen other than what people comment out there. Heard they're solid CPUs, but haven't played with them myself.
    Ryzen 2 has pretty much invalidated all of Intel's lineup for gamers other than the 8C/16T i9-9900k after some pretty strong IPC improvements in this newest gen. It's not like 2001 when Intel was pure dog compared to AMD, but Intel's back on their heels right now. Just wondering if 6C/12T is likely to be enough for a few years or if saturating 8C/16T is likely to come quickly in this new console gen.

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    You think Ryzen 5 3600 is a good buy for a gaming cpu? Or is it nuts to go lower than 8C/16T with PS5 and XBox Shiri X sporting 8C/16T?
    benchmarks show the 3600/3600x => 9900k games

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    benchmarks show the 3600/3600x => 9900k games
    No they don't

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    Ryzen 2 has pretty much invalidated all of Intel's lineup for gamers other than the 8C/16T i9-9900k after some pretty strong IPC improvements in this newest gen. It's not like 2001 when Intel was pure dog compared to AMD, but Intel's back on their heels right now. Just wondering if 6C/12T is likely to be enough for a few years or if saturating 8C/16T is likely to come quickly in this new console gen.
    Well, moar cores is always nice, so if you can wait it out, might make sense. I honestly can see more use for the extra cores in VR, where there's a lot of other going on, like tracking, but unless there's some major shift, 6C/12T is nothing to sneeze at.

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    Well, moar cores is always nice, so if you can wait it out, might make sense. I honestly can see more use for the extra cores in VR, where there's a lot of other going on, like tracking, but unless there's some major shift, 6C/12T is nothing to sneeze at.
    I was just asking for hater. Between ridiculously high gpu prices and CPY on his deathbed in Italy it's not a great time for PC gaming tbh.

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    Got a super challenge for you. BLB.

    $200 bucks, desktop box?

    $500 more realistic budget?

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    Got a super challenge for you. BLB.

    $200 bucks, desktop box?

    $500 more realistic budget?
    A $500 gaming PC is a really bad buy, especially right now when we're looking at $400 to $600 consoles by the end of the year or early next year that are more powerful than what you could build right now for $1000. Any gaming PC you build today is going to age like complete dog unless you're willing to drop $500 to $700 just on the gpu. Eg $500 for an RTX 2070 Super would get you a little above what looks to be in the PS5 while $700 on an RTX 2080 Super would get you a little above what looks to be in the XBox Series X.

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    A $500 gaming PC is a really bad buy, especially right now when we're looking at $400 to $600 consoles by the end of the year or early next year that are more powerful than what you could build right now for $1000. Any gaming PC you build today is going to age like complete dog unless you're willing to drop $500 to $700 just on the gpu. Eg $500 for an RTX 2070 Super would get you a little above what looks to be in the PS5 while $700 on an RTX 2080 Super would get you a little above what looks to be in the XBox Series X.
    Assume you only have a $500 budget. What is the BEST you can get for that? (assume all you need is the box itself)

    Have a friend with a seriously limited budget.
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    Assume you only have a $500 budget. What is the BEST you can get for that? (assume all you need is the box itself)

    Have a friend with a seriously limited budget.
    What does he want to play on it? If it's AAA gaming the absolute cheapest system I could put together that would be at all decent would be $560 plus tax, and still doesn't have an SSD. Also on that kind of budget I'd get the mouse and keyboard at Goodwill, so I didn't include them. Also don't know if the case is any good, but in that tight a budget you gotta go as cheap as possible.

    PCPartPicker Part List

    CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor ($119.99 @ Newegg)
    Motherboard: MSI B450M PRO-M2 MAX Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($74.99 @ B&H)
    Memory: G.Skill Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($64.99 @ Newegg)
    Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($44.99 @ Adorama)
    Video Card: Zotac GeForce GTX 1650 SUPER 4 GB Twin Fan Video Card ($159.99 @ B&H)
    Case: Metallic Gear Neo Silent ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
    Power Supply: SeaSonic S12III 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($54.99 @ B&H)
    Total: $559.93
    Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
    Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-03-31 11:47 EDT-0400

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    But I have to caution, in November PS5 will likely be coming out around $400, maybe $500, with this kind of power:

    PCPartPicker Part List

    CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($298.99 @ Newegg)
    Motherboard: MSI X570-A PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard ($159.90 @ B&H)
    Memory: G.Skill Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($64.99 @ Newegg)
    Video Card: EVGA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB BLACK GAMING Video Card ($504.98 @ Newegg)
    Case: Metallic Gear Neo Silent ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
    Power Supply: SeaSonic S12III 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($54.99 @ B&H)
    Total: $1123.84
    Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
    Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-03-31 12:48 EDT-0400

    And with a really fast 850GB PCIEx4 SSD that I couldn't find yet for sale.

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    Question, how can I access a hard drive I have from a previous build? It likely has Windows XP installed (I'm not sure, it's been a while). Will it work by just plugging it in my current win 10 pc?

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    Question, how can I access a hard drive I have from a previous build? It likely has Windows XP installed (I'm not sure, it's been a while). Will it work by just plugging it in my current win 10 pc?
    It should at least read it.

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    It should at least read it.
    So could I view the files?

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    So could I view the files?
    yup

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    it worked, cheers m8

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    There is honestly no good buy in PC gaming right now because gpus are so overpriced and underpowered. The gpu closest to what's in the PS5 is the RTX 2070 Super that runs about $550 to $600 right now. If you want gpu power on par with the XBox Series X we're talking the RTX 2080 Super that runs about $730 right now. On top of that, I cannot at all recommend going with an Intel system these days unless you go i9-9900k, because the PS5 and XBox Series X cpus are 8C/16T and i9-9900k is the cheapest 8C/16T cpu Intel makes. And it's like $500. If you want an Alienware gaming PC from that link that's going to be a little stronger than XBox Series X it's $2470. Just to be a little better than a console that's going to come out at $500 to $600 in six months. COVID has really only raised prices 10-15% but even without that bump in price it would still be a terrible time to buy a gaming PC.

    Also I don't see which specific options you chose.

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    God this is literally what it takes to build an XBox Series X killer PC today. ing ouch. And the SSD is still slower than the one on the XBox Series X.

    PCPartPicker Part List

    CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3800X 3.9 GHz 8-Core Processor ($336.38 @ Amazon)
    CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U14S 82.52 CFM CPU Cooler ($63.75 @ Amazon)
    Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard ($189.99 @ Newegg)
    Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($134.99 @ Newegg)
    Storage: Samsung 970 Evo 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($179.99 @ Amazon)
    Video Card: EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB XC ULTRA GAMING Video Card ($759.99 @ Best Buy)
    Case: Phanteks Eclipse P300A Mesh ATX Mid Tower Case ($99.99 @ Amazon)
    Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($124.99 @ Best Buy)
    Total: $1890.07
    Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
    Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-05-16 01:34 EDT-0400

    You could bring it down $180 or so by going with 16GB RAM, a Ryzen 7 3700X, and the stock cooler I guess though and still have something that should outperform the XBox Series X. But if you're spending that much I'd just spend the little extra on the extra RAM, the cpu cooler, and the slightly faster cpu.
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    There is honestly no good buy in PC gaming right now because gpus are so overpriced and underpowered. The gpu closest to what's in the PS5 is the RTX 2070 Super that runs about $550 to $600 right now. If you want gpu power on par with the XBox Series X we're talking the RTX 2080 Super that runs about $730 right now. On top of that, I cannot at all recommend going with an Intel system these days unless you go i9-9900k, because the PS5 and XBox Series X cpus are 8C/16T and i9-9900k is the cheapest 8C/16T cpu Intel makes. And it's like $500. If you want an Alienware gaming PC from that link that's going to be a little stronger than XBox Series X it's $2470. Just to be a little better than a console that's going to come out at $500 to $600 in six months. COVID has really only raised prices 10-15% but even without that bump in price it would still be a terrible time to buy a gaming PC.

    Also I don't see which specific options you chose.
    Those prices are incredibly high $2470? I figured $800 was pretty decent for the entire PC. Not looking for a PS5 GPU that costs close to the same. I'm not buying the first generation of PS5 consoles anyways until they confirm theres no blue or red rings of death or other such nonsense.

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    Those prices are incredibly high $2470? I figured $800 was pretty decent for the entire PC. Not looking for a PS5 GPU that costs close to the same. I'm not buying the first generation of PS5 consoles anyways until they confirm theres no blue or red rings of death or other such nonsense.
    Oh I see... that $820 system is total horse for the money. Only 8GB of RAM and a terrible GTX 1650 gpu. It's such a bad deal that the system I spent $800 on in 2014 (GTX 970, Xeon E3-1231v3, 8GB RAM) would actually still be a better gaming system today. Seriously. You should seriously build your own . It's as easy as Legos. Here is a system for $850 with a gpu (1660 Super) that gives roughly 70% higher framerate than a 1650 at 1440p, has twice as much RAM, has a much better cpu, has an SSD, and has a board that will allow you to install a PCIE-4.0 SSD later on if you want and also has wifi and bluetooth built in.

    PCPartPicker Part List

    CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor ($174.99 @ B&H)
    Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard ($189.99 @ Best Buy)
    Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($69.99 @ Newegg)
    Storage: Crucial P2 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($64.99 @ B&H)
    Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER 6 GB VENTUS XS OC Video Card ($229.99 @ Newegg)
    Case: Corsair 100R ATX Mid Tower Case ($54.98 @ Amazon)
    Power Supply: SeaSonic S12III 500 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($67.98 @ Newegg)
    Total: $852.91
    Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
    Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-05-16 17:04 EDT-0400


    Though add another $20 or so to buy a Windows 10 license from a key reseller, I know there is a forum on reddit where people sell their unused volume license keys for Windows 10 Home for ~$20 or so.

    If you really have to hit that $820 price though you can go to a cheaper B450 board, though you'll never be able to use a PCIE-4.0 SSD later on, and you might have to do a BIOS upgrade beforehand if going B450. And you could go with a $40 1TB hard drive instead of a $60 480GB SSD. Though surely you have other mechanical drives you can recycle from an old computer, right?

    If you have never built a PC don't be intimated, it's quite easy. There is a youtuber called Carey Holzman who has complete build videos that show just how easy it is to build a PC in extreme detail, and I highly recommend watching some of his build videos if you have never built a PC before. Though he always uses Intel processors. Which I would not now because not only are AMD processors better right now, but they're cheaper too.

    This system won't be as good as PS5, but should be enough to outperform the rumored XBox Series S.
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    I just recently built a PC and have no regrets. I can afford the PS5 if I end up wanting one, but I'm having so much fun with games you normally only find on PC anyway, so I'm good.

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