Random thoughts and stats after 10 games

[will_spurs]

He's taking the same attempts, but he's shooting an atrocious 23% from the 15-18 feet area, where 46% of his shot attempts are taken..this number is by far the worst of Duncan's career and almost 20% worse than his % from 2010 to 2013, tbh..

I noticed that against the 76ers or Wizards, a lot of Duncan's jump shots were taken directly from the top of the key area, which means he has no angle to the basket. It's basically an extended FT. I think he bricked all of those.

Against Utah, he started to take more jump shots around the corner of the paint, which gives a bit of angle. He tended to nail those shots at a decent rate.

I'd really like to see a shot chart for Duncan in the past 3 games, as it should show this quite clearly.

[will_spurs]

Actually I found a shot chart for the last 30 days: http://vorped.com/bball/index.php/player/shotchart/1131

(full Duncan report is here: http://vorped.com/bball/index.php/pl...131-Tim-Duncan)

You'll noticed that he's abysmal from the top of the key (roughly 7% !!!) and vaguely better from the area directly to the right. But on the left hand side he's 5-for-12 or so, which is much better.

It started against Utah and I can only assume he's going to position himself and receive the ball a lot more often slightly to the left of the top of the key.

[hyhy]

Aron Baynes:
It's a little anecdotal but while I was looking at Spurs stats to do that post, I was amazed by how horrible Baynes stats were. He has a -5.6 PER and a -38 +/-. It isn't a surprise why Ayres is above him in the rotation even if he has shown close to nothing on the court.

I agree with whatever u said on everything else and thank you for the insights. However, this is one stat I do not agree with. Baynes was mostly played in garbage time with the 3 PGs lineup. This explains his +/- alot and cannot be compared to Ayres, where Ayres is able to play with the starters to gain the +/-s. Then again, I am not saying baynes is better than Ayres, just that it is an unfair compe ion with the stats.

[TrainOfThought5]

Actually I found a shot chart for the last 30 days: http://vorped.com/bball/index.php/player/shotchart/1131

(full Duncan report is here: http://vorped.com/bball/index.php/pl...131-Tim-Duncan)

You'll noticed that he's abysmal from the top of the key (roughly 7% !!!) and vaguely better from the area directly to the right. But on the left hand side he's 5-for-12 or so, which is much better.

It started against Utah and I can only assume he's going to position himself and receive the ball a lot more often slightly to the left of the top of the key.

quality post. Thanks for the info.

[Brazil]

Great read Bruno. French rule dat Spurs and dat forum tbh

[Bruno]

However, this is one stat I do not agree with. Baynes was mostly played in garbage time with the 3 PGs lineup. This explains his +/- alot and cannot be compared to Ayres, where Ayres is able to play with the starters to gain the +/-s. Then again, I am not saying baynes is better than Ayres, just that it is an unfair compe ion with the stats.

I agree with you that the +/- stat for Baynes is screwed by the garbage time. I was more referring at his dismal PER to explain why Ayres is ahead of him in the rotation.

BTW, Baynes +/- breakdown regarding garbage time is:
Outside garbage time: -13 in 35 minutes.
Garbage time: -25 in 18 minutes.

[Bruno]

Regarding Duncan, the shooting slump for midrange shots is obvious but it isn't the only issue. It's difficult to express it with stat because the sample size is small but I find that he just doesn't look as good as last year physically.

A stat that might show that, is his number of dunks. It quite reflected his physical state in the past and numbers aren't good in that area too for him. Last season, Tim had 61 dunks in 2078 minutes. This season, it's 3 dunks in 226 minutes.

[hyhy]

I agree with you that the +/- stat for Baynes is screwed by the garbage time. I was more referring at his dismal PER to explain why Ayres is ahead of him in the rotation.

BTW, Baynes +/- breakdown regarding garbage time is:
Outside garbage time: -13 in 35 minutes.
Garbage time: -25 in 18 minutes.

PER can be affected by players he play with. Ayres, playing with the main rotation, is getting most of his shots open right at the basket, while Baynes is only getting open looks at the baseline 2 pointers, or he has to post up himself. Maybe given a chance, Baynes may outperform Ayres. Interesting to see his outside garbage time to be -13 though. Whats Ayres'?

[Kamnik]

Great read Bruno, thanks!

[Bruno]

PER can be affected by players he play with. Ayres, playing with the main rotation, is getting most of his shots open right at the basket, while Baynes is only getting open looks at the baseline 2 pointers, or he has to post up himself. Maybe given a chance, Baynes may outperform Ayres. Interesting to see his outside garbage time to be -13 though. Whats Ayres'?

In his 35 non garbage time minutes (games against Lakers, Blazers and Warriors), Baynes had 7 points (3/12 from the filed), 11 rebounds, 2 assists, 4 turnovers and 8 fouls. I'm' not sure how it translate PER wise but these aren't great stats.

Ayres is between +45 and +50 outside garbage time this year (it depends on exactly when you make the garbage time start).

[hyhy]

In his 35 non garbage time minutes (games against Lakers, Blazers and Warriors), Baynes had 7 points (3/12 from the filed), 11 rebounds, 2 assists, 4 turnovers and 8 fouls. I'm' not sure how it translate PER wise but these aren't great stats.

Ayres is between +45 and +50 outside garbage time this year (it depends on exactly when you make the garbage time start).

good job Bruno

[spurs10]

Good stuff. Thanks!

[Darius McCrary]

Duncan looks slow and stiff, and it is very worrisome. He's not sliding his feet well, and not jumping well either.

[ace3g]

Jabari Young@jabari_young


Marco Belinelli practicing his pump fakes and 3-pointers. He shooting 47% from 3... Think he wants better #Spurs pic.twitter.com/rlXtNyNg2Q

[ace3g]

Practice: Marco Belinelli
11.17.13 |
3m12s


Practice: Tony Parker
11.17.13 |
4m26s

[benefactor]

Beli is terrible
Spurs will cut his 47% 3 point shooting ass

[ace3g]

Beli is terrible
Spurs will cut his 47% 3 point shooting ass

Especially since he makes hockey assists that go uncredited and doesn't pull up for 3 on a fast break...

[benefactor]

Especially since he makes hockey assists that go uncredited and doesn't pull up for 3 on a fast break...

Careful with that logical take. Those aren't well received.

[Brazil]

Speaking of hockey assists I read somewhere that TP is third on the league for those

[DPG21920]

The only thing that concerns me with Beli is he looks terribly less athletic to me. We can mask it for now, but it could be an issue later and especially in the playoffs.

[DPG21920]

Not to harp on it again, but as many of us said, despite the very good start to the season the Spurs FO did a very poor job this off season. They didn't ruin anything, but their moves made very little sense and they were far from maximizing their potential.

[ace3g]

The only thing that concerns me with Beli is he looks terribly less athletic to me. We can mask it for now, but it could be an issue later and especially in the playoffs.

Yeah he use to be able to dunk (not super flashy or anything), but he is still able to finish at the basket though which is a positive (something that really hurt Nando).


In regards to having another SF, Josh Howard while he didn't shoot well in the game I was able to find stats for, he did grab 11 boards, a stat I'm going to keep track of as he plays games for the Toros.

[ace3g]

Not to harp on it again, but as many of us said, despite the very good start to the season the Spurs FO did a very poor job this off season. They didn't ruin anything, but their moves made very little sense and they were far from maximizing their potential.

I've been disappointed in Ayres mostly because I thought with his jumper, he could work well in the PnR, but that hasn't been the case. From another stand point I'm kind of glad we didn't sign AK47 now, he has been struggling with back spasms most of the season, has only played in 4 games.

[BackHome]

Well I am glad that Mills is doing good when I first saw him I didn't even recognize him I thought it was still Parker. He is a Neal like clone as far as shooting and a better PG which I am glad that Pop is finally understanding you need to find a backup PG before the playoffs start.

Starting to like Ayres he is not flashy but I like his effort and the guy can dunk the ball and is a pretty good passer.

I also like Diaw this year he seems to be taking the leadership role when he plays with the second unit and is much more focused.

[ace3g]

Practice: Boris Diaw
11.17.13 |
5m15s